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    Opinion on my situation.

    Hey guys, ive done alot of research and looking. But i want a second opinion. Im 6 foot 155lbs, i have a good workout, an amazing diet. ive taken test supsension before an it upped my bench 35lbs, but i didnt noptice ANY size increase whatsoever, so i would like to take another steroid that adds more mass and size then nessacarliy just strength. Money is not an issue and i dont mind needles, i jus would like to know what would be the best steroid for puting on weight, and something that doesnt flush out all my water becuase im taking creatine. so just plz comment and give me your best products that work.

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    What are your stats

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    diet?

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    Boy are you going to get flamed.

    How many cals are you eating when aiming for more body weight on that Amazing diet?

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    18, dnt know my bf, its really low tho, and diet is about 3500-4000 cals a day with multivitamin, an celltech once a day.

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    o and i aslo drink close to 4 liters of water a day, and eat very healthy

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    Your 18 stay far far away from any AAS period hit the diet section bro. If you did any research at all you would realize that the juice is the problem your diet and age are

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    already took test suspension and that was fine, idc im sure i can handle it, im not to worried

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    HAHA if you are ok with gaining no weight on a cycle and having the chance of being on TRT the rest of your life and have no sex drive with no wood at 18 you are not worried about that come on kid get some common sense and read some stickies and educate yourself with proper training and diet best advice you can get. Do you understand that you took a test and gained no weight that is a major problem bro the risks are not worth it any vet or anybody with common knowledge will tell you the same.

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    At your body weight I don't think you will keep the gains you will get from a cycle. What you need to focus on is getting a good base.

    Heavy compound lifts with excess calories are the ticket, that should get you to around 200 pounds natty...at your age it's not that hard to do, even for a hard gainer.

    What gains have you had from training so far?

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    gaind 28lbs, upped my bench to 255 , cant sqaut cuz of knee, or deadlift so idk about those.

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    You want advice that is the greatest advice you can get eat and train hard bro you do not want low test levels the rest of your life here take a read http://www.steroid.com/Low-Testosterone.php . You asked for the best product out there and for you its food and lots of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    Hey guys, ive done alot of research and looking. But i want a second opinion. Im 6 foot 155lbs, i have a good workout, an amazing diet. ive taken test supsension before an it upped my bench 35lbs, but i didnt noptice ANY size increase whatsoever , so i would like to take another steroid that adds more mass and size then nessacarliy just strength. Money is not an issue and i dont mind needles, i jus would like to know what would be the best steroid for puting on weight, and something that doesnt flush out all my water becuase im taking creatine. so just plz comment and give me your best products that work.

    Read your post over it says gained no size whats this 28 pounds about listen kid im trying to help you out steroids are not the answer for you.

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    Trust me bro im working my way back up after a dirtbike accident i couldnt lift for almost 10 months and i was 168 before that accdient and im a very very hard gainer so i knw how to gain but with a perfect diet, good workout, sleep, nuitrition ect i reached my max wieght without using steroids so id rather jus take the chance with roids then stay wer i was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    gaind 28lbs, upped my bench to 255 , cant sqaut cuz of knee, or deadlift so idk about those.
    Ok well you will get no advice on AAS on this site but you will recieve diet tips and training.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlee8769 View Post
    Read your post over it says gained no size whats this 28 pounds about listen kid im trying to help you out steroids are not the answer for you.
    i have gained 28 lbs from the start of my lifting, an wen i was on test suspension i didnt gain any wieght

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    Great diet? I think no unless you are purposely trying to look like a stick figure at 6' 155 lbs. Sorry but also 18 is to young no matter what you think, that you have heard or believe. Most of us went through the same thing and tried to use the same (lack of) logic. Some of us where smart enough to hold off, some of us got lucky and life intervened and we didn’t use, some used and got lucky and didn’t screw anything up or not that we/they know of and a lot of people regretted starting so young.

    You will find many post started by people under 25 who regret starting so young and have from mild to serious side effects.

    Stop, listen and learn. Thinking you are the exception to the rule will only prove you are the rule and you will only add to the number of failures.
    No do some reading and show your maturity by not thinking it does not apply to you.
    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...***-(GOOD-READ)

    What you need is food, good diet, training and time. Yes really that is the answer.

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    the price i pay is the price i pay

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    gaind 28lbs, upped my bench to 255 , cant sqaut cuz of knee, or deadlift so idk about those.
    They are good gains man, but like I said.....you can get to 200 at your height easy.

    So you can't do any lower body movements? Whats the knee issue? Deads shouldn't really have an impact on your knees unless your sitting very low, have you tried starting higher? Even sumo style?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    Trust me bro im working my way back up after a dirtbike accident i couldnt lift for almost 10 months and i was 168 before that accdient and im a very very hard gainer so i knw how to gain but with a perfect diet, good workout, sleep, nuitrition ect i reached my max wieght without using steroids so id rather jus take the chance with roids then stay wer i was.
    Trust me bro you are nowhere near able to do a proper cycle. You are 18 your hormones are all over the place as is why risk the chance of messing up your body permanently its not worth it trust me i had friends in the same boat as yourself and they still have problems years later do not be hard headed about it ask anybody on this site they will tell you to stay far far away from aas you are 155 pounds and 18 read and hopefully you learn it was a bad decision to even think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    the price i pay is the price i pay
    Well I/we will remember that if you have the balls (as shunken as they may be) to come back and admit your d*ck doesnt get hard anymore or you have gyno/man boobs due to messing up your HPTA function. So you arent even going to take the time to listen to anyone or read any of the post? Since you already have all the answers why are you here?

    Borrowed from Marcus since he says it best.
    There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

    I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

    I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
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    i dont know all of the answer, never said i did, only reason im here is to get advice on what to choose.

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    You got the answer already nothing except diet kid how do you not understand what we are telling you. You are gonna be the type to take the advice or not and suffer the consequences its that easy no compound is going to work for you except training properly and diet not AAS.

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    Please take your time in reading this link


    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=367187

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    i knw kids that have cycled dbol , same age, around same weght and they are monsters compared to me, and they started out the same physiclly as me. so ik it works

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    You really need to read the link Ive posted.

    By shutting down your naturally testosterone before you have fully developed can cause you serious problems, do you really want to having problems with erections etc at your age or having low testosterone for life?

    You need to learn how to eat to grow first because it would be pointless in using steroids anyway even if you wasn't bothered about low testosterone because your diet doesn't support any kind of muscle tissue and after the cycle you will lose all gains plus more!!

    You need to understand that your a novice asking question, we are the experts and you should start listening.

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    Ok so you wanted advice you got it and if you were researched enough you know the potential future effects on your health we have nothing to gain here but to help you out in the best possible way you may not like the advice you are given but it is proper and correct.Do not be one of those guys who doesnt like what he hears and thinks that AAS use is the way to go. And those kids that you see will not tell you about the permanent side effects they have ok. You have people here telling you not to do it now the choice is yours best of luck.

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    then answer me this, y have the other kids gotten awsome results and they cycled it before and have no probs? like i said same body as me

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    then answer me this, y have the other kids gotten awsome results and they cycled it before and have no probs? like i said same body as me
    Do you want to have low testosterone for life?

    Do you want to be able to get a hard-on?

    Do you want to have mood swings?

    I could go on but if your willing to risk those sides at your age then I cant help you.

    Your asking experts on the matter and we have told you, not one person as told you to cycle or how to cycle, ask yourself why??

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    Do you understand everybody has a different body and some people react different then others just because one kid does not get something does not mean you will not its very clear that you do not like the answer to your question you know some of the risks if your read any of the info marcus sent you now the rest is up to you bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    then answer me this, y have the other kids gotten awsome results and they cycled it before and have no probs? like i said same body as me
    The kids you know who have such awsome results are still kids. The negative side effects are not always instantanious, sometimes it takes months or even longer to realize they screwed up and many never put 2+2 together. Tell me why I have read 100s if not 1000s of post from kids your age and older who have had serious problems and have been working months to try to find out how to fix them?

    The obvious physical changes are not what they may apear. Many times it's due to hard work, eating right and simple growth. If your diet is not right (and it's not) then you will loose everything you gain if you gain. Because you can cheat does not mean you should and there is always a price to pay. Anyone who has been using for long enough can tell you it's not as simple as you think and it's not a good idea at your age.

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    well im taking dianabol so we will see

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    well im taking dianabol so we will see
    Good very good... after all these opinions you are still dumb a**... go on... use dbol n gain 120 lbs... hahahaha

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    Your crazy mate, you`ve not done nowhere near enough research and you definitely havent thought it through. Your too young, end of.

    We`ve all been in your situation but steroids are not a quick fix, even though they may appear to be when you see mugs your age getting big off a cycle, but they dont know what they are doing, they probabley dont even know what a cycle is 99% of the time and months down the line ALL of them lose their gains because of lack of knowledge and being too young. The only ones who keep their gains are the ones who constantly cycle, but like whats been said the long term implications will eventually come back and bite them on the ass.

    You say you cant squat or dead lift because of bad knees, well thats bullshit, you have no proper training experience and a cycle will definitely not benefit you, even if you was 25+ I would advise against it.

    You say you`ve got a good diet, again I doubt that very much, you probabley dont know what a macro is without googling it. Get yourself in the diet section, read up and educate yourself so you can start eating really good and build natural mass healthily.

    Get your training routine worked out so that you can make successful realistic progress for a good few years to build a solid base.

    I`m not being a know it all, but if you do everything along the right lines you`ll look back and realise that the advice you was given was right and that you made the right decision by NOT taking AAS.

    Trust me the decisions you make at your age can have a negative impact on you that could effect you for the rest of your life and its not easy putting things right.

    Saying what you have shows your immaturity and lack of knowledge.

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    Agreed.. you are just like those posers who want to do window posing...( No need of legs in window posing ) i think you just want to train your arms chest shoulders.. right?? haha.. man... i hate these show off bodybuilders.....

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    So you are going to cycle (foolishly i might add) at 6' tall and 155 pounds? You should be at 185 at the minimum with your height if your diet is a great as you say it is. Work on eating and lifting first before you even consider cycling anything. You have a VERY skinny base for your height and you are not giving yourself any foundation to work on.

    Proceed to the diet and exercise section ... THANK YOU

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    well im taking dianabol so we will see
    Why ask questions if you wont follow the advice, you will learn the hard way.

    Best of luck you will need it.

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    All this + far away from the size needed, if your diet aint make you take weight eat more lol take a look at your BMR and post this at diet section

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    I'm 5'9" 185 12% and im not enough heavy & old, so if you think that 6 n 155 is enough your far away from reality

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    Quote Originally Posted by NW1206 View Post
    then answer me this, y have the other kids gotten awsome results and they cycled it before and have no probs? like i said same body as me
    How do u know they have no permanent damage. are u there when their dick wont work to screw their girl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thedud3 View Post
    I'm 5'9" 185 12% and im not enough heavy & old, so if you think that 6 n 155 is enough your far away from reality
    Agreed... man... i am 5'4'' and 161 lbs... 6' and 155 lbs...?? that need some heavy diet....

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