Question about deca and trenbolone cycle (+ my before and after pic)

**John_boy** · 05-09-2011, 03:03 AM

Hi,

I am a skinny guy and did a light course of test and deca (1ml of each a week for 8 weeks) and put on a stone and a 1/4.

Like an idiot I stopped training after the course and now, 3 months later, I'm going to do another one...

I am thinking of doing 1ml of test and deca every 6 days for 8 weeks and then switching to 1ml of test and trenbo every 3 days for 2 weeks to finish me off...

I'm still new to all this so does this sound ok or is it a bad idea?

Many thanks,

John

**lovbyts** · 05-09-2011, 03:06 AM

Yes its a bad idea. You are far from needing or should I say being ready to use any AAS. Ever hear of food? How long have you been working out, 6 months? No I'm not flaming you, just being honest. You look like you either never or hardly ever went to the gym in the first picture and only a very short time in the 2nd.

All you should be taking is FOOD and a couple of years 5x a week in the gym.

Let us know when the ED kicks in. Deca and Tren , Double trouble with no test in sight.

You where not an idiot for stopping, you where for starting and even more if you do another one any time soon. You need to do a LOT of research. Learn how to eat, how to work out. Learn what the sides of each AAS is and what PCT is. Learn how using any AAS wish affect your HPTA.

**Ernst** · 05-09-2011, 03:06 AM

Bad idea. Very bad idea. Sorry bro, but you clearly have no idea what you're doing.

What are your current stats? (Age, Height, Weight, BF%, Years Training, PCT Knowledge)

**John_boy** · 05-09-2011, 03:26 AM

First of all thanks for taking the time to reply...

I am 26 years old, 6"1, 12 1/4 stone, BF% no idea, years training - I have played at the gym for years but never really trained properly, PCT knowledge - none.

Hahahahaha yes lovbyts I have heard of food!! I must have a fast metabolism or something because I eat loads but have always been skinny. I don't have a couple of years to just train and eat.. I wanna look this business this summer on holiday!!

So defo no deca and tren at the same time then... Is there anything I can use instead of the tren to cut at the end of the cycle?

**Ernst** · 05-09-2011, 03:34 AM

Honest thought: too late for this Summer. Rome wasn't built in a day, and even AAS isn't going to make you big and cut like that in that amount of time. It's just supplements that actually work, not magic. To make things worse you are so clueless as to AAS use the potential for you to end up screwing yourself up is all too real. You have some major research and reading to do before considering any future cycle.

Start putting your time in with diet and workout now and next Summer you can be fighting girls off with a stick (the one in your shorts if you did it right).

**John_boy** · 05-09-2011, 03:42 AM

Ok, I'll just hammer the protein shakes this summer then then do another course next year

**lovbyts** · 05-09-2011, 03:48 AM

Forget the protein shakes, or at least not more than 1x a day. Don’t substitute them for real food. They are good for post workout to help muscle recovery but don’t replace the real deal.

Thanks for not taking things in a bad way. Really to do any of this right it's not a sprint, it's a marathon and should be taken slow and steady. Trying to jump in to make changes for summer will honestly do you more harm than good and it won’t be worth the short term gains. If you concentrate on diet and training you can get the same results just as fast without spending 1/2 the money and you will keep your gains with zero side effects.

Visit the diet section and start learning then the workout section and get a good routine. Diet is 80% of gaining if you use AAS or not but of course you have to have a good workout routine as well.

**Pac Man** · 05-09-2011, 07:16 AM

Whatever you're eating, eat 3x more of it.
I have a fast motabolism, im 6'2 230 solid. How I work this is eating mass amounts of everything. I admittedly don't diet, I wont look at a piece of pie and say "that's not good for my diet" **** that, I'll eat the whole pie.
How I keep under 8% bf is beyond me, I thank.genetics

**John_boy** · 05-09-2011, 07:58 AM

Haha Ok I'll try that... it's like a full time job eating all the time though especially when you are busy with work!!

How much protein should I be consuming every day? someone told me between 150 and 180grams?

Lovbyts, you said don't have more than one protein shake a day.. Why is this? I'm currently having 3 inbetween meals

**Windex** · 05-09-2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by John_boy

Haha Ok I'll try that... it's like a full time job eating all the time though especially when you are busy with work!!

How much protein should I be consuming every day? someone told me between 150 and 180grams?

Lovbyts, you said don't have more than one protein shake a day.. Why is this? I'm currently having 3 inbetween meals

Head over to the diet section, your number for protein intake is not nearly enough. You have a lot of work to do. Post what you typically eat in a meal and I will help you get on your way. Very wise of you to step away from the juice. Once you have your diet in check and show dedication you will be very happy you waited

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**lovbyts** · 05-10-2011, 01:42 AM

Because protein shakes should not be used to replace real food. You want to take a drink maybe before working out with BCAA to give you some good energy and recovery and a good Protein Isolate shake to help with recovery 15 minutes after. Some people also do take a slow digestive shake before bed to help with recovery and to not get hungry during the night but it's a little over kill until you are to that point.

What you need right now is good old fashion food. Go with Good lean cuts of mean, lots or skinless chicken breast, rice, sweet potatoes etc. That' will pack on the real weight/muscle if you workout good. I wish when I was in my 20s I knew what I knew now.

I worked out 6x a week, 2 hrs a day and ate, ate, ate but everything I ate was wrong, not good protein/carbs and not at the right times. Instead of being 5'8" 155 lbs lean I could have easily been 195 lbs by the time I was 25.

**The Titan99** · 05-10-2011, 02:12 AM

Originally Posted by John_boy

Haha Ok I'll try that... it's like a full time job eating all the time though especially when you are busy with work!!

How much protein should I be consuming every day? someone told me between 150 and 180grams?

Lovbyts, you said don't have more than one protein shake a day.. Why is this? I'm currently having 3 inbetween meals

You should be getting 1.5 to 2 grams of protein from animal food sources every day. "Protein shake" could mean a number of things. Your probably using whey protein which should only be used post/pre workout due to the speed it enters the bloodstream. You need to figure out what you need for maintainance calories, (google BMR then TDEE) get a macro nutrient program like fitday (google again). 4 cal is 1 gram of protein, same with clean carbs. 9 calories for clean fats, which you need. What ever your caloric maintainance requirements are, add 500 to 750 to that. Subtract the protein from that and split the rest of the calories between carb and fat, keeping in mind the fat grams are going to be a lot lower due to the higher caloric content per gram. For instance, if I'm 240 lbs (which I am) and I'm bulking my maintanance calories are about 3350. So, I eat 450 protein, 280 carb, 100 fat for a total of 3900 calories, an excess of 500-550 calories.

Do this then go to the diet section for some lists of good/bad proteins, carbs, fats.

Good luck.

P.S. Leave the damn drugs alone and don't "quit" working out.

**camicol** · 09-14-2011, 02:17 PM

hey Man I`d like to contact you,, so youy can help me during my first cycle...

**dec11** · 09-14-2011, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by camicol

hey Man I`d like to contact you,, so youy can help me during my first cycle...

oh and i wonder what your game is?

**dec11** · 09-14-2011, 04:25 PM

you dont know what you are doing with these drugs mate. learn how to eat and how to train properly and build a good solid base whilst educating yourself on AAS

**The Titan99** · 09-14-2011, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by camicol

hey Man I`d like to contact you,, so youy can help me during my first cycle...

What you need is some one to help you read my previous post...

Originally Posted by The Titan99

You should be getting 1.5 to 2 grams of protein from animal food sources every day. "Protein shake" could mean a number of things. Your probably using whey protein which should only be used post/pre workout due to the speed it enters the bloodstream. You need to figure out what you need for maintainance calories, (google BMR then TDEE) get a macro nutrient program like fitday (google again). 4 cal is 1 gram of protein, same with clean carbs. 9 calories for clean fats, which you need. What ever your caloric maintainance requirements are, add 500 to 750 to that. Subtract the protein from that and split the rest of the calories between carb and fat, keeping in mind the fat grams are going to be a lot lower due to the higher caloric content per gram. For instance, if I'm 240 lbs (which I am) and I'm bulking my maintanance calories are about 3350. So, I eat 450 protein, 280 carb, 100 fat for a total of 3900 calories, an excess of 500-550 calories.

Do this then go to the diet section for some lists of good/bad proteins, carbs, fats.

Good luck.

P.S. Leave the damn drugs alone and don't "quit" working out.

**songdog** · 09-14-2011, 06:00 PM

Yeah Lovbyts I can see it now the new thread coming in a few months.PLZ HELP I CANT GET IT UP.

**dec11** · 09-14-2011, 06:21 PM

important to note that all this is a lifestyle rather than hitting a goal and having done with it, its a big big commitment and if you arent that fussed on the lifestyle then aas arent for you