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    letro or nolvadex during a cycle

    I'm going to start a dbol and test e cycle very soon and was wondering which one would be better for gyno prevention since I seem to be very sensitive to it. I've heard of people using both but I'm not sure which works best for gyno prevention during a cycle.

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    How did your first cycle go when you were 21? That was 08 right, so your 24 now?

    and did you really run all of that gear for your first cycle??

    First cycle please critique
    age 21, weight 188, BF 10.1%, training exp 3.5 yrs, height 6'1

    Goal is to lean bulk and be 20-25 pounds heavier after PCT

    Cycle
    Week 1-4 M-drol (superdrol clone) 30mg ED
    Week 1-10 Test E 500mg EW
    Week 1-10 EQ 400mg EW
    Week 1-12 Letro .25-.5mg ED (gyno prone cause had it for about a year when i was 16)

    PCT
    Clomid 50/50/25/25
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
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    Letro is far more superior at suppressing gyno as a pose to Novladex. But, Letro will kill almost all for your gains, especially while on cycle. So with that said, Nolvadex is the best for use during cycle. Unfortunately though., Letro is the only true thing that will wash away gyno or signs of gyno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACE5HIGH View Post
    How did your first cycle go when you were 21? That was 08 right, so your 24 now?

    and did you really run all of that gear for your first cycle??

    First cycle please critique
    age 21, weight 188, BF 10.1%, training exp 3.5 yrs, height 6'1

    Goal is to lean bulk and be 20-25 pounds heavier after PCT

    Cycle
    Week 1-4 M-drol (superdrol clone) 30mg ED
    Week 1-10 Test E 500mg EW
    Week 1-10 EQ 400mg EW
    Week 1-12 Letro .25-.5mg ED (gyno prone cause had it for about a year when i was 16)

    PCT
    Clomid 50/50/25/25
    Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
    Last edited by listerine; 10-05-2008 at 09:26 AM.
    Actually I ended up changing my mind I waited till the summer of 2010 to do a cycle instead and did tbol only (scared of injecting) I gained about 14 pounds after PCT but got some gyno after thats why I want to run something for gyno prevention during this next cycle

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    I wasn't trying to be a dick, I got the impression that you my have gotten Gyno from an earlier cycle, so I was going to ask if you ran Nolva or an AI during your first one?

    Funny thing is that the ONLY time I have had issues with Gyno was from Oral cycles...

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    I would go with aromasin during cycle, save the nolva for pct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charliemurphy229 View Post
    I would go with aromasin during cycle, save the nolva for pct.
    I hear aromasin is a bit of a weaker drug though

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    anymore opinions??

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    I like exemestane as well, not as strong as letro, but works great during cycle. I think letro is overkill.

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    no letro during cycle
    just nolva or a-dex
    letro is too much strong during whole cycle
    if you have gyno then letro...
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    if i were you

    no m-dorl

    d-bol is best

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    what if I took 2.5mg of letro every three-four days during my cycle instead would that be overkill; would this still kill my gains. Also can a-dex get rid of existing gyno like letro cause thats what I really like about letro since it can be used for prevention and as a solution to existing gyno

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    Its not even so much about killing your Gains, Letro is harsh on lipid profile, joins, etc... and no a-dex will not get rid of existing gyno, Only thing that can is the letro.

    Im still a little confused. Maybe you shouldn't start a cycle right now if your attempting to reverses some gyno, OR is this for prevention only??

    If its for prevention the Aromasin or l-dex will work just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by listerine View Post
    I'm going to start a dbol and test e cycle very soon and was wondering which one would be better for gyno prevention since I seem to be very sensitive to it. I've heard of people using both but I'm not sure which works best for gyno prevention during a cycle.
    I wouldnt use both. These days I was definitely use the AI like LETROZOLE during your entire cycle. Use the NOLVADEX for PCT time at the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by **** View Post
    I wouldnt use both. These days I was definitely use the AI like LETROZOLE during your entire cycle. Use the NOLVADEX for PCT time at the end.
    Why would he use letro during the whole cycle?? Thats not a smart move...

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    Let me clarify, Letro should only be used as a last resort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACE5HIGH View Post
    Its not even so much about killing your Gains, Letro is harsh on lipid profile, joins, etc... and no a-dex will not get rid of existing gyno, Only thing that can is the letro.

    Im still a little confused. Maybe you shouldn't start a cycle right now if your attempting to reverses some gyno, OR is this for prevention only??

    If its for prevention the Aromasin or l-dex will work just fine.
    this is just for prevention im just worried about getting gyno cause ive gotten it twice now thats why I want something that I can take during my cycle that will for sure prevent any sort of gyno from happpening, so I won't have to stress and worry .
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    Forget letro.
    What you should do is run aromasin through the whole cycle for estrogen management and nolva should be kept on hand if you experience any gyno issues from the dbol kickstart.
    The reason this protocol is used is twofold.
    1, dbol converts to methylestradiol and unless you take an AI in high doses (which is pointless, especially with dbol as it anabolic activity is mainly mediated by estrogen) then gyno can still be an issue because methylestradiol has a 30% better affinity for binding to the estrogen receptors in breast tissue than E2.
    2, nolva does not affect the efficacy of aromasin but it does affect the efficacy of adex and letro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by listerine View Post
    I hear aromasin is a bit of a weaker drug though
    Garbage. Improves IGF/lipids/rids a solid amount of estradiol, estrone,and
    estrone sulfate/no rebound due to it being an SI, improves bone density. If you have the extra money, spend it on exemestane. 10mg eod while "on" for prevention.

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    ^^^^^

    Or 0.5mg Adex EOD...

    Seems to be doing the trick for me, never had any ERSE's even on test e and DBol
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    Letro wont ALWAYS get rid of exsisting gyno if it real old,I used it trying to get rid rid of some small puffyness and all it did was completely kill my sex drive and even Cialis didnt help.But i knew there could have been a chance of that when i started using it in high doses . It is very potent,you dont need much letro at all to stop gyno. To prevent it i would use the other stuff suggested here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baseline_9 View Post

    0.5mg Adex EOD...

    Seems to be doing the trick for me, never had any ERSE's even on test e and DBol
    Exactly what I was going to say.

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    so I should just use aromasin and then letro if any gyno occurs. Is aromasin really good enough to offeset the effects of the test e and dbol though

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    Yes just use the Aromasin , if you need to run a higher dose then do so... Just dont over do it...

    Run the aromasin at 10-15mg EOD and if any ERSE's come about run nolva at 40mg until the sides disappear while continuing the AI but at a higher dose...
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    personally I like arimidex because you wouldn't have to take 12 or 15mg of it to be an effective compound. Depending on how a person's body will react 0.5mg - 1mg EOD or ED is sometimes sufficient to reduce your E2 levels. Get some bloodwork before starting your cycle and another one after several weeks to monitor your E2. Adjust dosage accordingly.

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    Ok I think i'm gonna run aromasin for sure now but does it prevent other estrogen side effects like bloat and acne (to some extent) as well though

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