cant keep it up fully up after prohormone

**gixxerboy1** · 07-06-2011, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

so should i do the clomid/nolva or quit them or just not do blood work now and wait couple of months after the clomid/nolva therapy ?

i would continue the pct then get your bloodwork. Give the pct some time to work and see where you are at.

**Granovich** · 07-06-2011, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i would continue the pct then get your bloodwork. Give the pct some time to work and see where you are at.

thats what i was thinking run them for 6 weeks then see whats up
although i didnt notice any change after 1 day of using. i thought clomid half like is 6 hrs\
im taking the 100 mg together before sleep on empty stomach is that right ?

**gixxerboy1** · 07-06-2011, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

thats what i was thinking run them for 6 weeks then see whats up
although i didnt notice any change after 1 day of using. i thought clomid half like is 6 hrs\
im taking the 100 mg together before sleep on empty stomach is that right ?

just cause it has a half life of 6 hours doesnt mean you will feel its effect the first day

**Granovich** · 07-06-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

just cause it has a half life of 6 hours doesnt mean you will feel its effect the first day

wooof i feel relieved now. good.thanx
i hope it will work i hope i just dont get back to this situation after finishing the therapy

**MC30** · 03-16-2013, 11:47 AM

I've had similar issues with PH Tren , Massdrol, PheraMass, given some cavalier advice from someone who didn't have problems with them. I got off of them for almost 4 years now. I just stopped taking them due to feeling stiff in my muscles, just got tested when I was going to have my rat try some peptides for joint repair. 4.3 (1.5-4.2) range, 228 (348-1197) range. Def not good, I was still making some progress in the gym but libido was on and off, feeling a little tired but I have a tight working and school schedule. I was prescribed some T gel from doc, but I am using clomid first to see if it might jumpstart my natural production. Any advice would be appreciated. The rat is still on ghrp-2, and TB-500 loading phase.

**Granovich** · 03-17-2013, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by MC30

I've had similar issues with PH Tren, Massdrol, PheraMass, given some cavalier advice from someone who didn't have problems with them. I got off of them for almost 4 years now. I just stopped taking them due to feeling stiff in my muscles, just got tested when I was going to have my rat try some peptides for joint repair. 4.3 (1.5-4.2) range, 228 (348-1197) range. Def not good, I was still making some progress in the gym but libido was on and off, feeling a little tired but I have a tight working and school schedule. I was prescribed some T gel from doc, but I am using clomid first to see if it might jumpstart my natural production. Any advice would be appreciated. The rat is still on ghrp-2, and TB-500 loading phase.

hey man whats up!
yeah i had low testosterone back then , it was nightmare...
i did try clomid, didnt do anything for me... i did HCG + Ai then nolvadex /torem for 8 weeks or so.... HCG was 2000 iu EOD for 20 days ( total 10 shots )
also did caber for a while at 0.5 mg X2/wk... and get some Vitamin D and take 10k IU a day for 2 months then do 5k IU for another 2 months....
thats what i did. i got much better

**MC30** · 09-04-2013, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Granovich

hey man whats up!
yeah i had low testosterone back then , it was nightmare...
i did try clomid, didnt do anything for me... i did HCG + Ai then nolvadex /torem for 8 weeks or so.... HCG was 2000 iu EOD for 20 days ( total 10 shots )
also did caber for a while at 0.5 mg X2/wk... and get some Vitamin D and take 10k IU a day for 2 months then do 5k IU for another 2 months....
thats what i did. i got much better

Thanks for the advice. I have been on other boards getting advice on other protocols. Clomid was working great first time around and now not so much. I was also recommended vit D 5k UI ED for continuous use. I am also using nolva as well. There has been some improvement, free testosterone is fine but total is low. I will probably have to do another cycle and I will try torem. I will probably need a dopamine stimulator like caber, I think that is part of low energy and libido issue. If your still on the forum let me know. Thanks

**BBJT200** · 09-04-2013, 10:10 AM

Get yourself some cabergoline. I suffered from the same issue, turns out prolactin was high. this should solve your problem.

0.5mg twice a week until symptoms subside.

**MC30** · 09-04-2013, 10:24 AM

Get yourself some cabergoline. I suffered from the same issue, turns out prolactin was high. this should solve your problem.

0.5mg twice a week until symptoms subside.

You could be right. Prolactin was 17 out of 2.5-18 scale. Caber is uber expensive, what
about pramipexole? Thank you for the info.

**MC30** · 09-04-2013, 10:53 AM

Anyone have success with prami?

**BBJT200** · 09-04-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by MC30

You could be right. Prolactin was 17 out of 2.5-18 scale. Caber is uber expensive, what
about pramipexole? Thank you for the info.

caber is not expensive when you consider what it does and how much a pack will last you. 20 1mg tabs is about the same as youd pay for a bottle of prami. the tabs will last you 20 weeks, the bottle of prami will be junk within 2 months of opening it or less.

Prami DOES work to fix this issue, as It's what I originally used to lower my prolactin levels, but the side effects are pretty nasty in my personal experience. nausea, extreme drowsiness, and it messed with my adhd med's effectiveness. Caber doesnt cause me any side effects except raging wood, so to me its worth the hassle to get.

**MC30** · 09-04-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by BBJT200

caber is not expensive when you consider what it does and how much a pack will last you. 20 1mg tabs is about the same as youd pay for a bottle of prami. the tabs will last you 20 weeks, the bottle of prami will be junk within 2 months of opening it or less.

Prami DOES work to fix this issue, as It's what I originally used to lower my prolactin levels, but the side effects are pretty nasty in my personal experience. nausea, extreme drowsiness, and it messed with my adhd med's effectiveness. Caber doesnt cause me any side effects except raging wood, so to me its worth the hassle to get.

I just need a source for tabs, if you can pm me let me know. Are you back to normal function without any meds? I was just wondering why you used both. Thanks again.