Not gaining any strength on test-tren-winstrol

**Sulixe** · 07-08-2011, 08:10 PM

Currently cutting and so far im down 4 inch waist size and weight is constant at 210 lbs. Still look as much bloated, just got a smaller waist and starting to see abs, not much more definition in arms or shoulders.

Im on my 4th week of a 10 week cycle and i dont really see any strength gains.

my diet is about 2500 calorie and i burn 700 calorie everyday on the treadmill after my workout.

is that too much? I have my postworkout shake about 75 mins after im finished weight training.

**Pac Man** · 07-08-2011, 08:12 PM

what kind of test/tren ?
The winni should be in full effect so you should have had a slight boost in strength, maybe sore joints.

**Sulixe** · 07-08-2011, 08:19 PM

Test prop tren ace inj winny

everything at 350mg/week.

i started winstrol on 15th day.

I made my fina from pellets, i made my prop from powder and i got my winstrol from a safe source. I believe my stuff is reliable.

**Donjuice** · 07-08-2011, 08:21 PM

My biggest strength gains came week 6-9 , 10 low energy as I decided to do more cardio . Week 11 has been my strongest in 18 months. Let the gear kick in. Up your calories 500.
If that's u in the pick ? F' cutting . I would pack on 25lb more then come down 12 or so. You look good already .
Also cardio before lifting really drains me and I lose intensity for a quality lift session.
Take progress pics every 3 weeks.
A-dex to cut the bloat.
What mg are u taking per week.?

**Pac Man** · 07-08-2011, 08:22 PM

Well apparently it's working if you've lost 4 inches on the waist. Are you running 100 eod? Personally I like my tren higher than my test, I run 75-100 ED,

**Donjuice** · 07-08-2011, 08:22 PM

Oh didn't see your doses.
What worked for me was 750mg of test 400mg Tren .
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**Sulixe** · 07-08-2011, 08:23 PM

that was me at the end of my cut a while ago. i was 195 lbs 11%. right now i sit at 210 lbs more or less 12.5%

Im running liquidex .5 mg EOD, but it doesn't seem to really help with the bloat. Started it 10 days ago.

**Pac Man** · 07-08-2011, 08:24 PM

I would also up the calories, trens got an amazing effect on food absorption. I too get bloated on Tren but as soon as I come off I lose the water and look ripped.

**Sulixe** · 07-08-2011, 08:28 PM

Alright. how should i do the split? right now my diet is 400 prot 150 carbs 60 fats, and i get my carbs in my morning shake+ post workout shake, both of which consist in:

1/2 cup of oats (130 cals)
2 cup strawberries (120 cals)
300 ml milk (100 cals)
2 scoop whey protein (200 cals)

Bout 80g carbs 70g protein.

I take it in the morning and after workout, and thats pretty much the only moments in my day i get carbs.

Should i increase the amount of oats i put in it? like going to a whole cup so i can get an extra 300 calorie a day?

**Donjuice** · 07-08-2011, 10:35 PM

I'd up both complex carbs and protein. Your diet looks tight.
I'd also up the Mgs on both the Tren and Test.
Read Steriod profiles and what he recommends there .
But really I can only speak for me. I eat just ok and do fine with muscle gains. I'm like a year out from being cut up like you. So I go thru mental bouts , some days I'm just like F it I'll eat lots of protein... Steak eggs chicken not caring about total calories , then wreck the gym.
Little pat on my back... But I'm feeling like a Beast the last few days!
killed the bench press yesterday and the squat today.... I'm going to F up the deads on Sunday ! bitches better watch out ! Hahaha .
Up your gear some..... Get in.

**dec11** · 07-09-2011, 12:10 AM

A) too young to be one this stuff
B) eating like a mouse

**Donjuice** · 07-09-2011, 12:59 AM

The to young statement never works.
Agreed can't get strong on Girly calories.

One of those lean bulk cycles ehy ?

**ACE5HIGH** · 07-09-2011, 01:31 AM

Sulixe, Straight answer. Are you really 19 yr old and on your 5th cycle or what? Im assuming your well under 25 since you dont post your age...

Sorry if Im wrong, but that why Im asking...

**syd-bloke** · 07-09-2011, 02:54 AM

Too young, bad diet, low dosage, inaccurate pinning times & etc. It could be somany other things. And you expect power strength from winny? Read the forum before injecting yourself wrongly. Sorry mate, dont wanna sound harsh but some people at young age have different expectation from roids.

**Sulixe** · 07-09-2011, 05:41 AM

im soon 21 and on my 4th cycle, started at 19
what does it change? Idc about not getting a boner or what else problems you suggest me, i probably won't be alive anymore by then.

eating like a mouse? im cutting, bro..... 400 prot 150 carb 50 fats. i was told my diet was spot-on for cutting in the diet section.

easthetically i'm very happy with the results, however im sad my strength is not improving.

wasn't expecting massive gains on strength from a cut, but still was expecting something considering i actually gainned weight while dropping bf %

**jimmyinkedup** · 07-09-2011, 08:04 AM

So whats your goal? To cut or to get stronger? If your cutting who cares? Hell i'll be honest i really dont care what the number on the plate says when im cutting. If im dropping bf and preserving muscle mass I call that a success. There comes a point in this game where you cant have it all - even with anabolic enhancement. Gaining strength while cutting becomes a virtual impossibilty. Just like gaining muscle and burning fat becomes an impossibilty. Recomp and the likes are , imo , relegated to newbies and people comiong off long layoff. Once you reach a certain levels of "fitness" you pick a single goal and concern yourself with that and that alone. Anyhting else compromises results in some way and will leave you mentally dissappointed. JMO

**dec11** · 07-09-2011, 09:37 AM

im on tren a atm and eating around 4000cals and STILL losing b/f. you could be doing what your doing without gear, whats the point in taking all tht stuff if its not being utilized correctly?! big probs ahead, you will regret this, trust me.

**ACE5HIGH** · 07-10-2011, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Sulixe

im soon 21 and on my 4th cycle, started at 19
what does it change? Idc about not getting a boner or what else problems you suggest me, i probably won't be alive anymore by then.
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Wont be alive anymore by then? why? Your kinda right, at this stage your at it doesn't change much, you started WAY too young and your going to have to deal with that anyway. That doesn't mean its easy to provide you with aas cycle info because we know how young you are, ya know? Were trying to set proper examples in here. So may noobs are looking at guys like you thinking well he's fine and started at 18-19... And just to clarify its not even about not getting a boner, its about not having to be on HRT for life, having children, not being short, going prematurely bald, and then the limp dick ;-) . But maybe that doesn't bother you...

**Sulixe** · 07-10-2011, 10:22 PM

Hrt is one injection every week. I'd rather that than be diabetic and pin myself 7 times a day. its just an habbit to develop, it doesn't scare me.

Im 5'9 and im pretty sure i was done growing. I like my head bald, i dont want children (never will, im sure of that) and limp dick doesn't bother me.

So i was alright starting this shit young

**beelong122** · 07-10-2011, 10:37 PM

how the hell wouldn't limp dick bother you? that's you're manhood bro.

**syd-bloke** · 07-10-2011, 10:48 PM

He thinks not getting a boner is gonna be all he regret about! And not gonna be alive by then? Perhaps this is a wrong forum for you, you might wanna try religious forums! lol
And obviously at your age, if you had 4 cycles and still not where you wanna be in terms of body fat, then there is something wrong. Maybe lets say lack of information? Read this forum and put your ego in your pocket. You have so much potential and time to achieve everything, dont ruin it.

**The Titan99** · 07-10-2011, 11:19 PM

Yea, I guess the diet is weight/height/age dependent as well as from individual. I look at those macros and think it's waaaay light for your age and workout (cardio and weights), but I don't know how much you weigh. In your Avi you look cut already, and after 4 cycles featuring stuff like Tren etc. I'd hope your over 200 lbs at least. Maybe check out your BMR using the Katch- McCardle formula. It goes by lean muscle mass rather than total body weight. Based on 96 kg Lean muscle mass I cut at 3700 calories (415, 266, 118)on cardio-weight training days. On days off (no exercise) I drop to 2900 calories (415, 150, 67) so it's quite a swing depending on energy expenditure. I hope this helps some.

**Sulixe** · 07-11-2011, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by syd-bloke;56***97

He thinks not getting a boner is gonna be all he regret about! And not gonna be alive by then? Perhaps this is a wrong forum for you, you might wanna try religious forums! lol
And obviously at your age, if you had 4 cycles and still not where you wanna be in terms of body fat, then there is something wrong. Maybe lets say lack of information? Read this forum and put your ego in your pocket. You have so much potential and time to achieve everything, dont ruin it.

Ive been doing mainly cuts, followed by dirty bulks, so my BF% goes up and down, been as low as 10% and as high as 20%. I also started at like 165 lbs, wasn't too sure how it worked, ive learned alot since then.

Originally Posted by The Titan99

Yea, I guess the diet is weight/height/age dependent as well as from individual. I look at those macros and think it's waaaay light for your age and workout (cardio and weights), but I don't know how much you weigh. In your Avi you look cut already, and after 4 cycles featuring stuff like Tren etc. I'd hope your over 200 lbs at least. Maybe check out your BMR using the Katch- McCardle formula. It goes by lean muscle mass rather than total body weight. Based on 96 kg Lean muscle mass I cut at 3700 calories (415, 266, 118)on cardio-weight training days. On days off (no exercise) I drop to 2900 calories (415, 150, 67) so it's quite a swing depending on energy expenditure. I hope this helps some.

im 210 lbs at 12% BF currently. im on a 1000 calorie deficit daily compared to TDEE

Originally Posted by beelong122;56***95

how the hell wouldn't limp dick bother you? that's you're manhood bro.

I aint into sex.

**ACE5HIGH** · 07-11-2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Sulixe;56***89

Hrt is one injection every week. I'd rather that than be diabetic and pin myself 7 times a day. its just an habbit to develop, it doesn't scare me.

Im 5'9 and im pretty sure i was done growing. I like my head bald, i dont want children (never will, im sure of that) and limp dick doesn't bother me.

So i was alright starting this shit young

Your Main prob is that your assuming you know what your talking about at 20 years old. How do you know you wont want kids, your only a KID yourself so of course you dont want them! Try saying that when your 40 Bro...
This is the problem with being young we all think we have our whole life figured out, when it only has just begun. By the time your 35 you will prob have forgotten that you ever used to work out or let alone do AAS cycle. You'll be married and visiting a fertility Dr. wondering why your wife isnt able to get pregnant, and searching alternative medicines to Viagra because it gives you migraines... Etc etc

**dec11** · 07-11-2011, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by ACE5HIGH

Your Main prob is that your assuming you know what your talking about at 20 years old. How do you know you wont want kids, your only a KID yourself so of course you dont want them! Try saying that when your 40 Bro...
This is the problem with being young we all think we have our whole life figured out, when it only has just begun. By the time your 35 you will prob have forgotten that you ever used to work out or let alone do AAS cycle. You'll be married and visiting a fertility Dr. wondering why your wife isnt able to get pregnant, and searching alternative medicines to Viagra because it gives you migraines... Etc etc

good advice.
im 36, i started AAS at 30 and ended up screwing my natty system up and i regret it. OP your outlook on things change every year as you mature, only last year i said 'i dont care about being on trt' now i want to try and get off completely and its most prob too late.

***D7M*** · 07-11-2011, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

So whats your goal? To cut or to get stronger? If your cutting who cares? Hell i'll be honest i really dont care what the number on the plate says when im cutting. If im dropping bf and preserving muscle mass I call that a success. There comes a point in this game where you cant have it all - even with anabolic enhancement. Gaining strength while cutting becomes a virtual impossibilty. Just like gaining muscle and burning fat becomes an impossibilty. Recomp and the likes are , imo , relegated to newbies and people comiong off long layoff. Once you reach a certain levels of "fitness" you pick a single goal and concern yourself with that and that alone. Anyhting else compromises results in some way and will leave you mentally dissappointed. JMO

I'm not going to brow beat you about the age thing either. It's your life to mess up.

But Jimmy is spot on as usual. I'm cutting now and my strength isn't going up, but I really don't care. I'm retaining muscle and loosing BF, and that's all I wanted.