Propionate pain?

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 02:55 PM

I have been considering doing a cycle of propionate but the "pain" is turning me off. I am a pipefitter and my job is super physical, so I am a little worried. Just wanted to know from some experienced users of how bad is it?
Do you get used to it?
And is there anything I can do to maybe help it like timing?
I do plan on heating gear before injections and it ugl gear.

I am thinking about 8-10 weeks 100mg eod
Nolva/ clomid pct from sponsor
27 5'11" 186lbs 8%bf

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 02:59 PM

Oops almost forget do you think it's worth the pain?
I am after clean gains with least sides.

**ghettoboyd** · 07-27-2011, 03:18 PM

if you dont want to feel like a pin cushon then id advise against prop...and yes the pain can be extream if you have never pinned before and since you will need 4 to 6 injection spots you will be spreading the pain throughout your body so it can be uncomfortable to say the least... i understand why peeps want to run prop cus its dirt cheap and works fast but you may want to try a long ester first go around just to see how you take to injections..just mt 2 cents...

**Devils Advocate** · 07-27-2011, 03:18 PM

First pin I did was prop and lemme' tell ya, it's like gettin' punched hard as **** right in the shoulder (if delts were pinned) for a few days after, and quads were bad too. Literally walked like I had somethin' up my ass. I'd try to ignore it and walk properly but it just wasn't possible. Have you tried a high mg to ml test blend before? It's similar. At least for me... Perhaps it all depends on who brewed it though... See what others have to say.

**baseline_9** · 07-27-2011, 03:38 PM

I got used to it after 4-5 weeks but it was BAD before that and I brewed my own gear to be painless...

My m8 ran the exact same prop and was fine, no real pain at all... It depends how you respond to it TBH

I had to cut my shotrs with 2 parts GSO to keep the pain down... but after time the pain decreases

**tt3** · 07-27-2011, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by Devils Advocate

First pin I did was prop and lemme' tell ya, it's like gettin' punched hard as **** right in the shoulder (if delts were pinned) for a few days after, and quads were bad too. Literally walked like I had somethin' up my ass. I'd try to ignore it and walk properly but it just wasn't possible. Have you tried a high mg to ml test blend before? It's similar. At least for me... Perhaps it all depends on who brewed it though... See what others have to say.

so prop pain would be something like T 400 pain?

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 03:42 PM

I have pinned before and by blend do you mean sustanon ?
So many mixed opinions on it, I have some cypionate about 4,000mg witch could give me 10 weeks at 400mg
And maybe I will pick up a bottle of sus so I can make it a twelve week cycle and front load?

I thought this was what I was going to here about the prop but I had to make sure.

**baseline_9** · 07-27-2011, 03:47 PM

Run your 10 week cycle of Cyp and buy a bottle of Prop...

Run the prop at 50mg ED or 100mg EOD for the first 20 days and see how the pain goes.....

I bet you will hurt tho.... You gotta stick with it and eventually the pain will go....

I was shooting 75mg ED and my whole body was in pain....

Was shooting Glutes, Lats, Chest and I was in bits for weeks... eventually the shots were painless

**Lemonada8** · 07-27-2011, 03:48 PM

i brew my own, and i never had any pain issues. I did ed pinning also. I would advise to do ED pinning of 50mg instead of 100 EOD its a less amount to inject. Also have many sites to inject: chest, delt, bi, tri, quad were my standard spots L+R

**baseline_9** · 07-27-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

i brew my own, and i never had any pain issues. I did ed pinning also. I would advise to do ED pinning of 50mg instead of 100 EOD its a less amount to inject. Also have many sites to inject: chest, delt, bi, tri, quad were my standard spots L+R

I brewed prop @ 100mg/ml - BA 2:BB 20, carrier GSO:EO (50:50)

My body swelled up like mad and i was in really bad pain.... My m8 ran the same and he was fine.... I still think it depends on how your body takes it

**Devils Advocate** · 07-27-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by tt3

so prop pain would be something like T 400 pain?

Was for me. Actually it was worse for me. T400 is a hit or miss for me. Sometimes it hurts, sometimes it ain't so bad. The prop always hurt though. Weird...

**Indymuscleguy** · 07-27-2011, 04:16 PM

Prop is my fav...my body really responds to it. I've cut it w/ B12 and it cut the pain. Also I use 1" to 1.5" pins rotating glutes. I never pin a smaller body part like calves and even delts b/c the pain, for me, seemed worse in the smaller muscle groups.

**Lemonada8** · 07-27-2011, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

I brewed prop @ 100mg/ml - BA 2:BB 20, carrier GSO:EO (50:50)

My body swelled up like mad and i was in really bad pain.... My m8 ran the same and he was fine.... I still think it depends on how your body takes it

I use pure GSO. Do you have issues with alcohol? some are allergic to high amounts of ethyl oleate

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 04:54 PM

I have issues with alcohol, had to change my gear once because my body kept trying to fight it, I had to go to a doc, ended up with cellulitis! Changed gear and I was fine. After that cleared up I tested it on my finger to make sure it was the gear and it swelled up in under twenty mins. That stuff was human grade in amps, now I am afraid of amps and trying new gear.

**Lemonada8** · 07-27-2011, 04:57 PM

ethyl oleate is a alcohol metabolism by product

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 05:11 PM

Sorry I don't understand ^

**Lemonada8** · 07-27-2011, 05:37 PM

when u drink alcohol, one of the metabolic steps of its digestion is ethyl oleate. This, in higher amounts, can invoke a allergic reaction. So if u have issues drinking alcohol, drinkin to intoxication, it can cause issues.

look @ wiki for ethyl oleate.

**xxblazenlowxx** · 07-27-2011, 05:42 PM

Thanks that must be why I turn super red when I drink

**Ashop** · 07-27-2011, 07:25 PM

Depends on the person. I doesnt bother me at all even at 3ml/cc. About 10% of users will complain the prop ester hurts a bit.

**gym_junki** · 07-27-2011, 08:30 PM

Prop is my fav yes its heaps of pain but i just love it, although iv had human prop dosed at 200 mg and didnt feal anything. try cut it down with other oil like grape seed oil or something.

**Devils Advocate** · 07-27-2011, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by xxblazenlowxx

Thanks that must be why I turn super red when I drink

Are you of Native or Asian descent? Either way, next time you drink, try some Zantac or some Pepcid AC. Or a generic versions of their active ingredients. I find Pepcid, famotidine, works better. Pop 1 or 2 extra strength about 30 mins before you drink. It works miracles.

**baseline_9** · 07-28-2011, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

I use pure GSO. Do you have issues with alcohol? some are allergic to high amounts of ethyl oleate

Well to start with I thought I was reacting badly to the EO.... when I would do a delt shot my medial delt looked like a serious synthol **** up for about 5 days...

When I did glute shots my whole glute would swell up, you could see my glute swollen in my lower back.

Eventually tho it became painless and no swelling at all... So i dont think it was an allergic reaction as I dont think you become immune to an allergy over time

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