Whats the best to use for preventing bitch tits

**seattleironpumper** · 08-20-2011, 04:59 PM

Is clomid the best????

**Livinlean** · 08-20-2011, 05:14 PM

Letro would be the strongest but Adex is sufficient.

**seattleironpumper** · 08-20-2011, 05:23 PM

Cool thanks Livinlean

**Srobis15** · 08-20-2011, 05:26 PM

You want to use an AI during cycle if you wanna prevent them. Not everyone HAS to use an AI of course. But some people are more prone. However, if you are just trying to keep it from happening during cycle, I would recommend Adex or Aromasin . Letro is very strong, but its a tad overkill unless you already have a bad onset of gyno that you want to possibly reverse. I wouldnt recommend using it except for a last resort. Adex or Aromasin, and possibly Nolva.

**seattleironpumper** · 08-20-2011, 08:27 PM

ok thanks Srobis15

**RoNNy THe BuLL** · 08-20-2011, 09:09 PM

Tamoxafin, also known as Nolvadex . Refer to http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/f...rapy/tamoxifen.

**Gi812Many** · 08-21-2011, 02:26 PM

Not using them at all......Im about to hit Nolvadex to reverse mine. Aromasin didnt do shit for me regarding gyno

**PK-V** · 08-21-2011, 03:32 PM

is a serm/ai combo ok for a 19 nor cycle?

I want the CV protective effects from the serm and estrogen conversion diminished with the AI

**ANIMAL** · 08-21-2011, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Not using them at all......Im about to hit Nolvadex to reverse mine. Aromasin didnt do shit for me regarding gyno

nolvadex isn't going to reverse your gyno.

**borkach** · 08-21-2011, 03:45 PM

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**Bonaparte** · 08-21-2011, 05:16 PM

Actually, Raloxifene blocks estrogen in breast tissue better than anything else.
Then Nolva.

**jeepfreak** · 08-22-2011, 02:46 AM

So you can take nolva during your cycle as a preventative, then just continue taking it during pct with clom ?

**bobr** · 08-22-2011, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Gi812Many

Not using them at all......Im about to hit Nolvadex to reverse mine. Aromasin didnt do shit for me regarding gyno

You may have prolactin gyno. That drove me nuts until I figured it out.

**Lemonada8** · 08-22-2011, 07:41 AM

Nolva is best for Gyno only. If other sides arise then use a ai.

**Srobis15** · 08-22-2011, 09:09 AM

Agreed, Nolva can be used as a first defence, but if that doesnt work for you, then add an AI in the mix. I currently use Nolva//Aromasin and it works great. It will slightly hinder your gains, but I am in no rush. Its not a race.

**Bonaparte** · 08-22-2011, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by bobr

You may have prolactin gyno. That drove me nuts until I figured it out.

Prolactin doesn't really cause gyno. It can make your nipples puffy and leaky, and cause a bunch of sexual side effects.
Progesterone is what causes that pain in the ass gyno that is hard to treat.

**Lemonada8** · 08-22-2011, 12:44 PM

^^ nope, progesterone gyno isnt true. Progesterone effects the estrogen receptor but doesnt do any gyno.

**Bonaparte** · 08-22-2011, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

^^ nope, progesterone gyno isnt true. Progesterone effects the estrogen receptor but doesnt do any gyno.

Huh? Gyno that involves progesterone or the activation of its receptor is different than gyno that is simply caused by high estrogen. You're just arguing semantics here.

Point is: prolactin has little to do with actual gyno, which is why dopamine agonists don't help.

**bobr** · 08-22-2011, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Huh? Gyno that involves progesterone or the activation of its receptor is different than gyno that is simply caused by high estrogen. You're just arguing semantics here.

Point is: prolactin has little to do with actual gyno, which is why dopamine agonists don't help.

Over a period I had gyno every time I used deca . I started my cycles with an AI to prevent. I still always ended up with with some stinging pain under my nipples(worse on left). Letro didn't even help. When I learned about Prolactin "gyno" I got some dost(pretty expensive ) and it all cleared up. For some reason Deca does this to me.

**Lemonada8** · 08-22-2011, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Huh? Gyno that involves progesterone or the activation of its receptor is different than gyno that is simply caused by high estrogen. You're just arguing semantics here.

Point is: prolactin has little to do with actual gyno, which is why dopamine agonists don't help.

actually prolactin has more to do with gyno than progesterone does. It makes the E receptor more sensitive to estrogen and vice versa. And prolactin gyno is lactation but that has to come from somewhere in the breast tissue right? that is the growth of the tissue that allows that to happen. The key sign is lactation but thats one of the last steps that it is due to prolactin.
Dopamine agonsits help to try keeping your own bodily mechanisms to control gyno, similar to how DHT helps control estrogen. Thats why Nolva is one of the best things for gyno prevention, it takes the place of the receptors so estrogen nor prolactin can bind causing gyno. Although it is the only thing that it does prevent is gyno,and some prostate growth which is another issue on cycle.
AI's lower the amount of estrogen in the system but you can have normal levels of E and somewhat elevated prolactin and still get gyno.

Agreed with your final point, but progesterone/prolactin get thrown around so much like they are the exact same which isnt the case :P

Progesterone is like a well that can convert to test/estrogen, but since ususally there is supraphysiological test in the system it converts to estrogen more redily which increases gyno.

^^ and deca is a progestin, so it can bind to all the AR, ER, PR in the body. although its not a secure binding to those receptors depending on your body chemistry it can affect people in different ways.
Gotta be careful with dopamine agonists however, they are pretty potent stuff if abused/taken when not needed.

all in all, back to the OP, Nolva is the best for preventing gyno however it does nothing for the bloating/acne sides that come with estrogen also. The best course is to do a small combo of both, however it will lower IGF1 so your gains wont be as big.