New restriction on posting idea...

**Fetch** · 10-06-2011, 03:42 PM

Minimum of 25 posts in the Diet section before you can create a topic anywhere else.
Half a joke, half serious lol. There have been some seriously food deprived individuals creating threads lately. Is it the weather or something? The time of year, maybe? Or is it always there, I just never noticed as much?

BRB, gotta force some more chicken down.

**Swifto** · 10-06-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Fetch

Minimum of 25 posts in the Diet section before you can create a topic anywhere else.
Half a joke, half serious lol. There have been some seriously food deprived individuals creating threads lately. Is it the weather or something? The time of year, maybe? Or is it always there, I just never noticed as much?

BRB, gotta force some more chicken down.

Only works with newbies.

What happens if someone wishes to post in the AAS section after 3 cycles asking about gyno?

**Fetch** · 10-06-2011, 03:54 PM

Yea, thats why I said it was half joking. I was more venting about the number of people posting lately who obviously have poor diets.

**JohnnyVegas** · 10-06-2011, 08:27 PM

A lot of my posts contain the words "head over to the diet section, those guys will send you down the right path."

I know someone needs to spend time in the diet section as soon as they say "I eat healthy." I wouldn't bother sending them to the diet section if they said they make sure to eat at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight, or that they have been on a 60/20/20 diet for the past month. Usually is it people that have been lifting for less than a year and are well under 200 pounds that just can't grow no matter how hard they work out. I get frustrated because I know how well they will do if they would just eat right.

**10nispro** · 10-06-2011, 09:57 PM

I believe the diet part actually scares people and its really the hardest thing to do of it all and probably the moat important. Its much easier for them to ask how to load a syringe and inject it and then take the criticism of why their cycle wasn't successful cause of the original problem, the DIET..

**The Titan99** · 10-06-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by 10nispro

I believe the diet part actually scares people and its really the hardest thing to do of it all and probably the moat important. Its much easier for them to ask how to load a syringe and inject it and then take the criticism of why their cycle wasn't successful cause of the original problem, the DIET..

This is a fact. Eating is by far the part that takes the most day to day, hour to hour disipline and also the most restrictive, demanding more sacrifice than any other part of the equation...

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 12:40 AM

Unless you have the body of a bodybuilding guru, you should not attack the masses like this, or pass judgment, or even try to change what is.

Everybody has to start somewhere. You can't expect some people to have a perfect diet before using steroids . That is unrealistic.

Also, posting threads is a form of research. Maybe they don't plan on using steroids for a few years.

**The Bear 79** · 10-07-2011, 03:10 AM

Originally Posted by Little1

Unless you have the body of a bodybuilding guru, you should not attack the masses like this, or pass judgment, or even try to change what is.

Everybody has to start somewhere. You can't expect some people to have a perfect diet before using steroids. That is unrealistic.

Also, posting threads is a form of research. Maybe they don't plan on using steroids for a few years.

Y is it unrealistic? If u cant put 4rth a 100% effort (which includes, but is not limited 2, a finely tuned diet) then y bother? This isn't a half assed hobby, this is a WAY OF LIFE, that demands daily attn. If u cant eat rite, then don't bother with the rest, ur just wastin ur time & $$$. Diet is the foundation, plain & simple, it is NOT unreasonable or unrealistic 2 expect some1 to hav their diet on spot b4 & above ALL else.

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 05:33 AM

I didn't have mine spot on when I came into the AAS world 2 years ago. But as I went along, I learned. And I am VERY confident in the progress I have made.

Most steroid users are not enthuisiasts. They are the average joe at the gym.

Diet is vital, of course. I am not saying diet is unimportant. It is vital. But I know I had the mentality that my diet was great when I started. I started at 25, and I am 27 now. I have about 30 years left in this game. There are innovations in training and diet daily.

If somebody runs a few cycles with shitty diet, I guarantee they will realize it is their diet. Just like me. And they learn from experience. That is how I understood the importance of diet; by wasting a couple cycles.

What is unrealistic is trying to read your text message post.

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 05:38 AM

Yes people should learn diet before using AAS. I agree. This however, is not a perfect world.

**Fetch** · 10-07-2011, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by Little1

Yes people should learn diet before using AAS. I agree.

That was the point made, which you seem to be arguing.

**The Bear 79** · 10-07-2011, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by Little1

I didn't have mine spot on when I came into the AAS world 2 years ago. But as I went along, I learned. And I am VERY confident in the progress I have made.

Most steroid users are not enthuisiasts. They are the average joe at the gym.

Diet is vital, of course. I am not saying diet is unimportant. It is vital. But I know I had the mentality that my diet was great when I started. I started at 25, and I am 27 now. I have about 30 years left in this game. There are innovations in training and diet daily.

If somebody runs a few cycles with shitty diet, I guarantee they will realize it is their diet. Just like me. And they learn from experience. That is how I understood the importance of diet; by wasting a couple cycles.

What is unrealistic is trying to read your text message post.

Yeah, learn as u go, that's the way 2 do it, dont take the time 2 do any research & make sure ur doin it rite from the start, just dive in head 1st & then figure it out. Just cuz u & mor than likely, quite a few others ignorantly did things this way, doesn't mak it rite or acceptable, its half assed & lazy. U probably didn't even run ur cycle(s) correctly @ 1st either (not that u would ever admit it), just waited til u got some side affect or health issue & THEN started doin some research, "learn as u go", rite??

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 09:16 AM

LOL right budy.

500mg of HG Test, 50mg of Dbol , 250iu Hcg e3d, and a nolva/clomid pct.

I knew what I was getting into.

Records are on this website of that first cycle.

You guys need to post pictures of your Godly bodies and extensive experience since you all are quick to handle the gavel.

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 09:17 AM

I never said learn as you go with steroids Bear. I said I did with diet. UNless you post a picture that looks better than mine, then you need to just chill. Before you attack me go back to school and learn to use ****ing syntax so I can understand you,

**chuckt12345** · 10-07-2011, 09:29 AM

except this is a steroid forum, not diet. We act like people should eat 4000 calorie perfect diets for 5 yrs to gain natural weight before they can start a cycle. You expect someone to eat perfect for the rest of their lives to get the body they want, if so then why do you do a cycle, just up ur calories accordinly if diet is 100% of the equation? Guess what AAS is cheating, that why we do them, you wanna spend an extra 10k a year and eat perfect to keep that 10lbs then by all means go for it, ill spend a few hundred and gain twice as much in 1/4 of the time. And guess what, as soon as you cant keep that diet up youll lose the weight just like coming off AAS.

**Fetch** · 10-07-2011, 09:31 AM

Re: Little1

Lol, ease up bud. As stated, this post is directed at the people who come here massively underweight, and ask about injecting dangerous chemicals into their body. You came off as stating that this behavior is ok. Why did you get militant when it was suggested that a person should excerisize basic competence with diet before using steroids ? I don't know what you looked like when you started using. I don't really care. You could be a Mr Olympia for all the **** I give. If you were 30 lbs too light when you started steroids, you were still wrong. And people like me, who give advice freely and spend our time trying to help others, get frustrated when our advice is ignored by someone wanting a quick fix.

**Fetch** · 10-07-2011, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

except this is a steroid forum, not diet. We act like people should eat 4000 calorie perfect diets for 5 yrs to gain natural weight before they can start a cycle. You expect someone to eat perfect for the rest of their lives to get the body they want, if so then why do you do a cycle, just up ur calories accordinly if diet is 100% of the equation? Guess what AAS is cheating, that why we do them, you wanna spend an extra 10k a year and eat perfect to keep that 10lbs then by all means go for it, ill spend a few hundred and gain twice as much in 1/4 of the time. And guess what, as soon as you cant keep that diet up youll lose the weight just like coming off AAS.

I expect someone to give a shit about their health. You think it's fine for a 6 ft kid weighing 155 lbs to start bumping Tren ? Thats your business. I've seen that kid tear his pec right off the bone because he had no base.

**chuckt12345** · 10-07-2011, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by Fetch

Re: Little1

Lol, ease up bud. As stated, this post is directed at the people who come here massively underweight, and ask about injecting dangerous chemicals into their body. You came off as stating that this behavior is ok. Why did you get militant when it was suggested that a person should excerisize basic competence with diet before using steroids? I don't know what you looked like when you started using. I don't really care. You could be a Mr Olympia for all the **** I give. If you were 30 lbs too light when you started steroids, you were still wrong. And people like me, who give advice freely and spend our time trying to help others, get frustrated when our advice is ignored by someone wanting a quick fix.

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**Fetch** · 10-07-2011, 09:39 AM

lol, edit, edit, edit!

**Little1** · 10-07-2011, 09:39 AM

Dig back and look for me if you think I started wrong.

I was 24 years old when I started researching. 25 when I started my first cycle. I was at my natural 210lbs roughly. Did a prohormone at 25 years old and got to 232lbs. Then started my cycle 10 weeks later. My cycle was textbook. I ate everything in sight and got VERY strong. I was curling 135lbs on the straight bar for 10 reps. Knocking out reps of 315 on bb bench way past 10 reps. Now I am about 230 at close to 10%bf. And I just started my college degree, BS in Health Science.

Be careful when you think people are underweight. A guy can be 155lbs and stage ready...shredded to bits. And people see that number "155" and refuse to help.

People do need to understand diet. It is the most important part of obtaining your goal condition. I do not argue that. But I don't think people should lose the ability to research through asking questions in the QnA just because they haven't spent hours on diet.

The threads here are diverse. It lets new members bounce all over, and start where they feel comfortable. After all, it is their choice to use AAS. The experienced guys are just here to help

**dec11** · 10-07-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

except this is a steroid forum, not diet. We act like people should eat 4000 calorie perfect diets for 5 yrs to gain natural weight before they can start a cycle. You expect someone to eat perfect for the rest of their lives to get the body they want, if so then why do you do a cycle, just up ur calories accordinly if diet is 100% of the equation? Guess what AAS is cheating, that why we do them, you wanna spend an extra 10k a year and eat perfect to keep that 10lbs then by all means go for it, ill spend a few hundred and gain twice as much in 1/4 of the time. And guess what, as soon as you cant keep that diet up youll lose the weight just like coming off AAS.

this is what needs to be drilled into their head's, some think the muscle just magically appears and will stay forever

**chuckt12345** · 10-07-2011, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by Fetch

I expect someone to give a shit about their health. You think it's fine for a 6 ft kid weighing 155 lbs to start bumping Tren? Thats your business. I've seen that kid tear his pec right off the bone because he had no base.

yea id have a prb with a kid that weighs 155 at 6' takin tren ,, may not have one if a 30 yr old is 6' weighs 165 and wants to take test though. thats my point,, we dont have a magic genetic scale on what we should weigh at a certain height or how much someone should gain with a certain diet.

**Fetch** · 10-07-2011, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by dec11

this is what needs to be drilled into their head's, some think the muscle just magically appears and will stay forever

This one is very true, there are far too many people that fail here.

**JohnnyVegas** · 10-07-2011, 11:32 AM

I think people shouldn't be expected to know about diet when they start AAS, but they should be encouraged to. Not because people are judgmental, but because anyone can honestly say that dieting will be a huge benefit.

I haven't posted pics of myself because I don't look awesome. But, I have put on muscle and lost fat at an accelerating pace as I have improved my diet. My BF is probably around 20% (hopefully a little less), but it started at 36%. As my diet has improved, I have spent more time telling people to learn about diet. I do it because I know it works, not because I am perfect.

**The Bear 79** · 10-07-2011, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Little1

I never said learn as you go with steroids Bear. I said I did with diet. UNless you post a picture that looks better than mine, then you need to just chill. Before you attack me go back to school and learn to use ****ing syntax so I can understand you,

No, u never said it, but ur implying that its ok 2 b unprepared & learn as u go, & that's just not acceptable. U need 2 know ur diet, ur gear & ur body (vitals / healthy function permotion) inside out B4 even considering a cycle, let alone actually running 1. BTW, if u couldn't "understand me" then how the fvck r u replying 2 wut I say................???????????? If ur gona take cheap shots, make sure they cant backfire on u spanky.