Liquid Letro or Liquidex with Test/Dbol/Deca Stack

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 05:50 PM

Im about to get the last thing I believe I need which is an AI. I will be on a 12 week cycle. Making sure I have all my shit straight first.

Cycle is as follows:

wk 1-12 Test E weekly
wk 1-10 Deca weekly
wk 1-4 Dbol daily

I have nolvadex for gyno prevention and HCG to keep my guys around but wanted to ensure I use a proper AI. I couldn't get my hands on it so am ordering from our sponsor above. I was on the fence about Liquid Letro or Liquidex. Which one will work better to prevent water retention from estrogen as well as acne? I was told my last acne problem on my shoulders could have been from aromatization.

Also, which is better as far as effectiveness, possible side effects, safety etc... any help would be appreciated.

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 06:19 PM

I need someone to help me choose the best choice for an AI

**xelnaga** · 10-06-2011, 06:27 PM

I only have experience with Ldex. It does the job. The vets will tell you letro is overkill for most cycles.

**Bio-Active** · 10-06-2011, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Im about to get the last thing I believe I need which is an AI. I will be on a 12 week cycle. Making sure I have all my shit straight first.

Cycle is as follows:

wk 1-12 Test E weekly
wk 1-10 Deca weekly
wk 1-4 Dbol daily

I have nolvadex for gyno prevention and HCG to keep my guys around but wanted to ensure I use a proper AI. I couldn't get my hands on it so am ordering from our sponsor above. I was on the fence about Liquid Letro or Liquidex. Which one will work better to prevent water retention from estrogen as well as acne? I was told my last acne problem on my shoulders could have been from aromatization.

Also, which is better as far as effectiveness, possible side effects, safety etc... any help would be appreciated.

Letro is to strong bro. Nolvadex/Clomid are for pct and Arimidex is for on cycle but most will only use it if needed.

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 06:38 PM

What do you guys think the first sign of needing the AI would be? Water weight? Nipples itchy or sore? Acne?

**Fetch** · 10-06-2011, 06:41 PM

First cycle? The Deca might be a little excessive if so. Are you prone to estrogen related side effects? Get itchy nipples or a lot of bloating? If not, or if you don't know, you probably don't want to take an AI off the bat. You definately want to have it ON HAND in case sides crop up, but it can be detrimental if you don't need it.

That said, I'd go with Arimidex . (Liquidex at AR-R .) .25 EOD is a typical dose.

**Bio-Active** · 10-06-2011, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

What do you guys think the first sign of needing the AI would be? Water weight? Nipples itchy or sore? Acne?

Originally Posted by Fetch

First cycle? The Deca might be a little excessive if so. Are you prone to estrogen related side effects? Get itchy nipples or a lot of bloating? If not, or if you don't know, you probably don't want to take an AI off the bat. You definately want to have it ON HAND in case sides crop up, but it can be detrimental if you don't need it.

That said, I'd go with Arimidex. (Liquidex at AR-R.) .25 EOD is a typical dose.

^^ What he said

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 06:50 PM

Not my first cycle. Have done Testosterone E only cycle with good results and handled well. I did not have an AI on hand. I didn't do enough research before that. Yes, I got some itchy nips during the cycle, and bad acne on my left shoulder near the end. The acne stayed during PCT and the itchy nipples would pop up every now and then. I have been off for about three months and am ready to get on this next one. I really do think I need the deca due to my joints. And I have the Dbol on hand so thought I would try the kickstart, just a low dose of 25mg daily. Like I said, I have the nolvadex , hcg , clomid, test, deca, dbol... danm it gets expensive...lol now just wanting an AI.

I appreciate your guys help

**Bio-Active** · 10-06-2011, 06:52 PM

I would not start the cycle with out the AI on hand.

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 06:55 PM

No, I wont. Im ordering now, and couldn't decide between the Letro and Adex, but seems to be Adex as the verdict. Thanks

**Far from massive** · 10-06-2011, 07:08 PM

Yes use the Liguidex as needed (as outlined by Fetch) to control the aromatization of the test. Its very important to control estrogen when you are using Deca otherwise you are likely to encounter prolactin sides...and thats one thing you don't want.

**MR10X** · 10-06-2011, 07:38 PM

You dont want to take Nolvadex while you are taking Adex,it will lower the effectivness of the Adex.

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 08:29 PM

Ok, so .25 mg daily as needed? As soon as water or itch goes down discontinue? And don't use nolva while on adex like MR10X says?

Thanks

**Bio-Active** · 10-06-2011, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Ok, so .25 mg daily as needed? As soon as water or itch goes down discontinue? And don't use nolva while on adex like MR10X says?

Thanks

correct use the nolva and clomid for pct.

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 08:35 PM

Also, the cycle information on the main website here. Are these not current, they all state to take nolvadex all the way through from week one unitl end of PCT. Is this not good advice?

**WhiteTiger** · 10-06-2011, 08:41 PM

Last question hopefully, just making sure. So, if on cycle symptoms arise, take the adex, then for pct nolva and clomid, but what if symptoms arise during pct even on nolva and clomid, take adex, discontinue the nolva, or just add adex and keep the nolva going? Sorry if it is a dumb ass question but just making sure since the adex and nolva interfere with each other.

**Fetch** · 10-06-2011, 09:54 PM

Its .25 every OTHER day. And you should not have symptoms after your cycle with Nolva and Clomid.

**MR10X** · 10-07-2011, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by WhiteTiger

Also, the cycle information on the main website here. Are these not current, they all state to take nolvadex all the way through from week one unitl end of PCT. Is this not good advice?

You can take Nolvadex while your on the cycle but your body will still convert some of your test to estrogen without an AI,wouldnt it be better to use ADEX and stop the conversion alltogether.Use Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT together.Start taking the ADEX when you sart the cycle and continue it untill PCT. The less estrogen conversion the more TEST you will have.