1st cycle for a friend

[pitbullforte]

A friend of mine asked my advice on his first cycle. Please give me your input.
Here it is:

Day 1:
propionate 300mg
trenbolone 150 mg
dianabol 50mg

Day 2-21:
propionate 300mg EOD
trenbolone 150 mg EOD
dianabol 50mg ED


PCT:
day 22: nolvadex 100mg
day 23-37: nolvadex 40mg
day 37-50: nolvadex 20mg




He is 33 years old, moderate BF, 1,80 meters and 80 kilos.



Thank you

[lovbyts]

Remove the tren and add clomid to the PCT.

Read up top on the sticky notes about beginner cycle. BAD bad bad idea to try tren for a 1st, 2nd or maybe 3rd cycle

[Matt]

^^ Agreed..

Tren carries with it the worst sides possible....

[Times Roman]

for a first cycle, i'd even go so far as to up the prop to 500mg, and drop the dbol . best just running the test to see what that does, and become familar with it. Personally, i'd never take two items never taken before together, that way, if a reaction or something bad happens, there is only one unknown variable.

[denverpride]

Maybe add some HCG while on E2D

[DIESELPWR]

I would definitely increase the length of the cycle to at least 8 weeks although 10-12 would be best IMO

[lovbyts]

I would definitely increase the length of the cycle to at least 8 weeks although 10-12 would be best IMO

Oh damn, I didnt even notice that. only a 3 week cycle? Complete waste of time IMO and I think you will find most will agree.

Also you PCT should start 2 weeks after you last injection, not the next day.

[JohnnyVegas]

Agree with above: go longer, and keep it to Test only.

I am a big believer in adding one thing at a time to any system (not just AAS cycles) as it is the only way to know how the system responds to each variable. Starting with three compounds makes it impossible to know what the problem is if there is a complication. Which will you drop or adjust the dose on if the sides are large? No way to know in a system with three variables.

[jasc]

8-12 wks.. drop the tren n dbol .

Prop @ 500mg/WK (max)

300mg eod is wayy too much for him

As someone mentioned, clomid would also be very beneficial for pct

pct to start 3 days after last shot

[bjohnson1968]

If this is his first cycle I wouldn't run prop Test E or C only...prop will require ed/eod injections...usually comes 75mg or 100mg per ml your going to push 3cc minimum on day 1 along with Tren ...Good luck with that...may I suggest one of the beginner cycles

test e/c 400 or 500mg split 2 inj. per week for 10-12 weeks followed by 4 week pct. Nolva 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50

I would scrap your outline and start over..IMHO

Peace

[Ashop]

Too much gear for a first cycle. Most people do very well on a simple 500mg wk of TEST ENAN or TEST CYP for 8-10weeks

[The Situation]

I'm about to run exactly what bjohnson recommended. It's solid and a good first cycle.

[xo3et]

Test E cycle only, consider the dbol but as recommended its best to run only 1 compound.

Ive just started my first cycle of test E and dbol, injecting every 3 1/2 days is enough. I feel for people who do it EOD.

[pitbullforte]

thanks to all!