Anything out there close to Proprionate?

**squeeJee** · 12-26-2011, 09:40 PM

Hi guys, I'm new to this forum but I want to begin by saying this has been such a helpful forum and I appreciate all the information you guys give to help amateurs out. Now to the topic of the post, I've cycled test Proprionate and I'm on my second cycle, mind that this has been the first time I have ever tried steroids and a buddy recommended I start out on it. He was right, I like it a lot, from all the research I've done a lot of people use it to cut up, and that's what I like about it. I don't retain a lot of water weight and I look great. The only thing I don't like about it is how often I have to inject, I do 1cc every other day and I have to say it's beginning to wear on my body. I'm running out of places to pin even while rotating from many muscle groups. My question is, what do you guys recommend that would be somewhat close to Proprionate? Something with the same characteristics like minimal water retention, and maintaining a lean look. I'm not looking to get gigantic, I'm trying to look even more lean, but without having to pin so often. The same friend recommended I try Sustanon 250, what do you guys think? Thanks for the replies ahead of time!

**squeeJee** · 12-26-2011, 09:46 PM

I also forgot to add I had shoulder surgery about 2 years ago, torn labrum. I'm fully recovered though, just figured it may be some useful information for those who reply, in case there is some kind of gear that may affect that. I have two pins in my right shoulder holding it together? But I avoid pinning that shoulder anyways, just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

**songdog** · 12-26-2011, 10:09 PM

At 22 yrs old you dont need aas.Read the young and steroids thread its in the educational threads.

**Knockout_Power** · 12-26-2011, 11:04 PM

sust (some blends) have test prop in them so you still have to pin it with the same protocol. If you just pin it twice a week, then as much as 30% of the compound is useless cause its too short and ester to stabilize without EOD injections minmum

**squeeJee** · 12-27-2011, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

At 22 yrs old you dont need aas.Read the young and steroids thread its in the educational threads.

I couldn't find the thread, anyway you can post a direct link?

**Times Roman** · 12-27-2011, 01:11 AM

acetate is another short life ester

**binsser** · 12-27-2011, 02:36 AM

Steriods for anyone unless training full time is a waste of time its what preferable for you ....so at 22 i think he would know weather its any good for him ..so getting back to the qeustion prop is always like that mate but its just the best one for cutting and looking good for me my body loves it but the pinning is what your paying for when it comes to prop the term no pain no gain really is the truth lolol you could use sust and you would get a good result i did this first and went to prop but i would use anything else now as i think long esters are just too problematic so sust for u would be a good way to go thats what i did the second time round as prop does tire you bit pinning all the time and every pin takes two, three days to stop becomeing sore have a think m8!

**marcus300** · 12-27-2011, 03:29 AM

What are your stats?
How long have you been training?
What's your daily diet like?

**neversurrendr** · 12-27-2011, 03:44 PM

They are right, if you'r under 24-25, you are wasting your $$. Put it in your piggy bank and save it for when you are 28 and start to need it. Otherwise, I use test enanthate . Its longer lasting (2 to 3 weeks). I only pin 2x a week, less painful, costs the same.

**sizzlechest** · 12-27-2011, 04:51 PM

I dont see why you are running out of places. If you are doing EOD shots, You can just do Glutes and shoulders. You wont have to come back to the same site until 8 days later. As far as the prop goes there are other short esters. Ive only seen suspension (no ester) enanthate and cypionate . Ive only seen the powders of other esters. Most places sell the ones I mentioned above or a blend like sust.

**squeeJee** · 12-27-2011, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by marcus300

What are your stats?
How long have you been training?
What's your daily diet like?

I've been training for years, after my injury of course I had to take a break but I'm back on the saddle now and I've been working out for a little over a year, full time. I weigh 170, did a BMI a couple weeks ago with 9% body fat.

**squeeJee** · 12-27-2011, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by binsser

Steriods for anyone unless training full time is a waste of time its what preferable for you ....so at 22 i think he would know weather its any good for him ..so getting back to the qeustion prop is always like that mate but its just the best one for cutting and looking good for me my body loves it but the pinning is what your paying for when it comes to prop the term no pain no gain really is the truth lolol you could use sust and you would get a good result i did this first and went to prop but i would use anything else now as i think long esters are just too problematic so sust for u would be a good way to go thats what i did the second time round as prop does tire you bit pinning all the time and every pin takes two, three days to stop becomeing sore have a think m8!

Thank you for the support binsser. How would you recommend I use the sus 250? Meaning, how often, how long of a cycle...?