First cycle Test E by itself or with Anavar or Winstrol?

**Johnny24** · 12-31-2011, 11:56 PM

Whats up members?

I joined to get some help.
Im 25 years old. Been training for 3 years. Been training with a clean bodybuilding
Diet. Did 2 bulks and 1 cut. I am currently 180 lbs. About 12% bf.

Ive been researching steroids for 6 months. Def ready without a doubt for my first cycle.
For personal reasons, my goal for the first cycle
Is a bulk and mini cut before the cycle
Is done.

Being that its my first cycle, i am the type that is an extremist, i am perfect with diet and training, i dont f around, i go hard everyday in the gym and i eat properly, as well as get min 8
Hrs rest. 300 g carbs 300 protein . Ill start wit those macros.
Question is do you guys recommend test enanthate only or adding a oral like anavar /winnie?
I just want to take advantage of the most gains possible and if adding a oral will help me pack on more muscle. So be
It.

Test Enanthate 500g ( 250 2x a week)
Weeks 1-12
Do you guys recommend an oral? Im looking to gain 20-30 lbs and keep at least half after proper pct.
I really apppreciaate the advice

Pct will be nolva/ clomid maybe Hcg and finerstride for hair.

***t-gunz*** · 01-01-2012, 12:55 AM

20-30 lbs is a lot

focus on quality gains mate

the cycle its your call to add the oral in. pretty common is dbol

it will help kickstart. i dont use dbol just get bloated./ var is good expensive though in most places

personally id just run the test see how things go

and the hcg run that through the cycle as well.

whats your pct protocol?

**Times Roman** · 01-01-2012, 04:01 AM

first cycle should be test only

**shishir17** · 01-01-2012, 05:55 AM

Better to go for a test i personally prefer that...

I have used Dbol but oral r very toxic for the liver n does water retention too.. N yes if its ur first cycle its really gonna give u a good gain..

But still injecting is the best source.

You can run anaver with test.. I think its goods use them. If u want a lean muscular body..