Help Pro athlere first cycle

[Bonaparte]

you realize someone could just look at a list of olympic swimmers that are 21, 6', 173 pounds (pounds generally narrows it down to the US), and train with a fellow 24 year old olympic swimmer. It would make it pretty easy to narrow down a group of people to test.

Well, what are you waiting for?

[The Bear 79]

i don't really know but he seems fine i train with him everyday, no one can achieve the goal without the supplements

WRONG! This is another good reason ur not reaching ur goal(s)................u hav already defeated ur self mentally. U wanna take the foolish advice of the few that hav undermined the many, go ahead. Good luck 2 u.

[Spears88]

Why are we still talking to him I mean really??? he says he is a pro swimmer why fu** that up. If he's a "pro" wouldn't that mean that he is already one of the best?. Plus he's to young just saying every kid thinks if I use gear I'll be huge the next day and whip every ones a** but it doesn't happen over night and it takes a lot of hard work behind getting huge. Plus you have to have the right mind set and what he just said he doesn't have..

My point of view I know

[tash007]

you realize someone could just look at a list of olympic swimmers that are 21, 6', 173 pounds (pounds generally narrows it down to the US), and train with a fellow 24 year old olympic swimmer. It would make it pretty easy to narrow down a group of people to test.

there's a lot of olympic swimmers specially down to the US that u can't tell plus we get tested only for reasons that we know

[Hazard]

Why are we still talking to him I mean really??? he says he is a pro swimmer why fu** that up. If he's a "pro" wouldn't that mean that he is already one of the best?. Plus he's to young just saying every kid thinks if I use gear I'll be huge the next day and whip every ones a** but it doesn't happen over night and it takes a lot of hard work behind getting huge. Plus you have to have the right mind set and what he just said he doesn't have..

My point of view I know

I understand your point and while it does make sense..... steroids in sports will always be. EVERYONE looks for an edge..... and I understand his point of view. Sports athletes use steroids to advance their career all the time so if this is really what he wants..... i don't see much wrong with it. Sure he's underage..... there are risks involved there and they have been explained to him. If the benefits are worth the risks to him then thats his choice.

Lastly..... I DO NOT support the use of steroids by anyone who isn't ready or doesn't know wtf they are doing. This is not just limited to those in the 18-25 age range.

~Haz~

[The Bear 79]

I understand your point and while it does make sense..... steroids in sports will always be. EVERYONE looks for an edge..... and I understand his point of view. Sports athletes use steroids to advance their career all the time so if this is really what he wants..... i don't see much wrong with it. Sure he's underage..... there are risks involved there and they have been explained to him. If the benefits are worth the risks to him then thats his choice.

Lastly..... I DO NOT support the use of steroids by anyone who isn't ready or doesn't know wtf they are doing. This is not just limited to those in the 18-25 age range.

~Haz~

Not tru. The OP is 21 which means he's "not ready". In his 1st post he lists the compounds he has in his possession, & then asks how 2 use them..................another indication he's "not ready" & also an indication he "doesn't kno wtf he's doing".

[Hazard]

Not tru. The OP is 21 which means he's "not ready". In his 1st post he lists the compounds he has in his possession, & then asks how 2 use them..................another indication he's "not ready" & also an indication he "doesn't kno wtf he's doing".

How many 21 year olds do I caution in regards to steroids .....? How bout you look up my post history and get back to me. The truth is..... he probably wont be an olympic level athlete for a very long time. If he wants to do his research and accepts the risks in order to advance his OLYMPIC career..... then so beit.

If I was a professional athlete..... i'd look at steroids to advance my career..... who wopuldn't!? Steroids are in just about every god damned sport and if you can't see that - you're blind.

I have problems with beach body 21 year olds who want to use steroids to get laid. This kid has an opportunity infront of him that not many get.....

thats my point..... if you don't agree..... i really dont care.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

Not tru. The OP is 21 which means he's "not ready". In his 1st post he lists the compounds he has in his possession, & then asks how 2 use them..................another indication he's "not ready" & also an indication he "doesn't kno wtf he's doing".

Also..... who says someone isn't ready at 21? Define ready.....

Was Lee Priest ready at the age of 16 or so? What about Alexei Lesukov? I'm not trying to justify use by younger kids here but come on..... there are some people that HAVE researched..... there are some people that are surrounded by very knowledgable people. When these kids make that choice it's on THEM.

We are here for the purpose of ADVICE. Normally i'd advise a 21yr old AGAINST the use of steroids for multiple reasons. However..... as an olympic athlete this kid trains hard..... has dieticians.... and could benefit from PED's. Afterall..... these substances were developed for the fvcking olympics man. Then the medical benefits were realized......

So in one sense yes..... you ARE correct. In the other..... this may be the ONE case where it's acceptible. There aren't many..... it's very rare. However.... IMO..... this is an exception but IF and ONLY IF he does the research himself and understands what he's doing. Thats why I havn't advised him on how to cycle.....

~Haz~

[aronjrsmil]

you realize someone could just look at a list of olympic swimmers that are 21, 6', 173 pounds (pounds generally narrows it down to the US), and train with a fellow 24 year old olympic swimmer. It would make it pretty easy to narrow down a group of people to test.

No doping agency looks online for people to "test". It's done on a random basis. Usually at the larger meets. However the likliness of him getting caught without know what he is doing is quite large.

[aronjrsmil]

The only thing that will guaruntee you not getting caught is a autologous transfusion. AKA blood doping. It's different from EPO cause it's not synthetic....but it's absolutely terrible for your heart. I would not take any chances. The best fuel is desire.

[The Bear 79]

Also..... who says someone isn't ready at 21? Define ready.....

Was Lee Priest ready at the age of 16 or so? What about Alexei Lesukov? I'm not trying to justify use by younger kids here but come on..... there are some people that HAVE researched..... there are some people that are surrounded by very knowledgable people. When these kids make that choice it's on THEM.

We are here for the purpose of ADVICE. Normally i'd advise a 21yr old AGAINST the use of steroids for multiple reasons. However..... as an olympic athlete this kid trains hard..... has dieticians.... and could benefit from PED's. Afterall..... these substances were developed for the fvcking olympics man. Then the medical benefits were realized......

So in one sense yes..... you ARE correct. In the other..... this may be the ONE case where it's acceptible. There aren't many..... it's very rare. However.... IMO..... this is an exception but IF and ONLY IF he does the research himself and understands what he's doing. Thats why I havn't advised him on how to cycle.....

~Haz~

I define ready by a persons age (mature Endo. / HPTA), training exp, diet, overall health & knowledge. If ur under 25, ur not ready. If u hav only been lifting for "a year or so", ur not ready. If u don't kno wut MACROS r, & u cant completely account 4 ur entire daily intake, ur not ready. If u carry excessive BF cuz u hav no diet discipline or knowledge, ur not ready. If ur chronically ill (indication of a weak immune system) or recovering from an injury / surgery, ur not ready. If u dont kno wut steroids do wut & the side effects of each, if u hav 2 ask wut should I use or how do I use (all of which indicate lack of knowledge & research).............ur not ready.

[alexISthrowed]

I define ready by a persons age (mature Endo. / HPTA), training exp, diet, overall health & knowledge. If ur under 25, ur not ready. If u hav only been lifting for "a year or so", ur not ready. If u don't kno wut MACROS r, & u cant completely account 4 ur entire daily intake, ur not ready. If u carry excessive BF cuz u hav no diet discipline or knowledge, ur not ready. If ur chronically ill (indication of a weak immune system) or recovering from an injury / surgery, ur not ready. If u dont kno wut steroids do wut & the side effects of each, if u hav 2 ask wut should I use or how do I use (all of which indicate lack of knowledge & research).............ur not ready.

Have you ever been interested in taking a sport to the highest level possible. I'm 20, I know the risks, I except the fact that I may be on trt for the rest of my life, but I would like to be as successful as possible in my sport, waiting until i'm 25 is not an option. This isn't some kid trying to get ready for a trip to cancun, he's at the highest level possible in his sport and wants to do what it takes to be competitive. He came here for information and I have no problem giving it to him. He's an olympic swimmer so I'm going to assume he's eating properly and is obviously training correctly for his sport. Not everyone takes aas for recreation.

[Hazard]

I define ready by a persons age (mature Endo. / HPTA), training exp, diet, overall health & knowledge. If ur under 25, ur not ready. If u hav only been lifting for "a year or so", ur not ready. If u don't kno wut MACROS r, & u cant completely account 4 ur entire daily intake, ur not ready. If u carry excessive BF cuz u hav no diet discipline or knowledge, ur not ready. If ur chronically ill (indication of a weak immune system) or recovering from an injury / surgery, ur not ready. If u dont kno wut steroids do wut & the side effects of each, if u hav 2 ask wut should I use or how do I use (all of which indicate lack of knowledge & research).............ur not ready.

So I can't tell you what my daily macro's are..... I stopped counting a long time ago. I can tell you what I eat.... but it changes according to my schedual. I suppose i'm not ready to use aas?

A lot of this comes down to understanding your own body and what works for you..... you get to that point through research and experimentation. This is why I know what I need to eat for growth and don't need to count my macros.

Regarding the age..... i'll say it again. I DO NOT condone the use of steroids by people "generlly" under 25. I do not see anything wrong with someone trying to make the most out of a rare opportunity tho..... even if they are under 25. This does not mean I will offer them cycle advice..... I don't want their future (good or bad) on my hands. They must make that choice but I completely see why he's asking and why he'd want to do this. Also.... using an age to say some is ready or not is rather assinine. The other aspects do hafta be there but whats the difference between a kid who will be 25 in 2 months and a kid who turns 25 today?

I can appreciate the ******* effort on your part - you explained the risks to him. It is now up to him to decide which direction he wants to go..... we can't do anything else.

~Haz~

[The Bear 79]

Have you ever been interested in taking a sport to the highest level possible. I'm 20, I know the risks, I except the fact that I may be on trt for the rest of my life, but I would like to be as successful as possible in my sport, waiting until i'm 25 is not an option. This isn't some kid trying to get ready for a trip to cancun, he's at the highest level possible in his sport and wants to do what it takes to be competitive. He came here for information and I have no problem giving it to him. He's an olympic swimmer so I'm going to assume he's eating properly and is obviously training correctly for his sport. Not everyone takes aas for recreation.

Baseball & Wrestling. And while my friends & my brother all used steroids , I stayed natural. I broke 7 records between the 2 sports, 2 of which I still hold 2day.....................No excuses.

[Hazard]

Baseball & Wrestling. And while my friends & my brother all used steroids, I stayed natural. I broke 7 records between the 2 sports, 2 of which I still hold 2day.....................No excuses.

Congrats on the records.....

At what level were these records attained? We're not talking about a kid trying to break a highschool record or a college record here..... we're talking about an olympic athlete. While we're on the subject..... kurt angle was an olympic wrestler..... don't tell me he didn't use steroids . Look at how many baseball players use steroids ...... most of these guys are just smart enough to not get caught.

~Haz~

[Hazard]

If you came here and saif you were in highschool trying to become a state champ or you were trying to get a full ride to college i'd have given the same response you did to the OP. However.... if you came here and said you made the US olympic wrestling team and wanted an extra edge on the mat..... then i'd have understood your reason for being here.

Just sayin.....

~Haz~

[The Bear 79]

I'm no pro, it was in college. I'm not denying steroid use by the greatest athletes in the world, & I'm not saying its rong, I'm just saying, no matter if ur an athlete or not, if ur not ready, ur not ready, & competition shouldn't b used as an excuse. Just my .02 I guess.

[The Bear 79]

If you came here and saif you were in highschool trying to become a state champ or you were trying to get a full ride to college i'd have given the same response you did to the OP. However.... if you came here and said you made the US olympic wrestling team and wanted an extra edge on the mat..... then i'd have understood your reason for being here.

Just sayin.....

~Haz~

I completely understand & respect ur point of view bro. I just don't agree, that's all.

[gixxerboy1]

i agree with both haz and bear. But if i was at that level the risk may be worth the rewards

[Hazard]

I'm no pro, it was in college. I'm not denying steroid use by the greatest athletes in the world, & I'm not saying its rong, I'm just saying, no matter if ur an athlete or not, if ur not ready, ur not ready, & competition shouldn't b used as an excuse. Just my .02 I guess.

I never disagreed with this..... He needs to understand what he's doing before he does it. which is why he hasn't been given cycle advice from anyone. He needs to start someplace..... atleast he found us.

~Haz~

[The Bear 79]

Congrats on the "upgrade" Gixx....

[HitIt]

i asked michael phelps and he said to use something called subwaydrol...

on another note, i looked in to doping in olympic sports and for swimming everything under the sun has been used (and been caught) from test to clen to nandrolone to bromantane to turinabol to epo

it seems like the only thing that would help you with endurance (epo, eq) you'd need to be on while competing, but with test or deca you could build muscle in the off time and maintain your gains while being clean for competition

<-- she got busted for test...nice ass

[aronjrsmil]

I think Darra Torres is definitely doping. Cesar Cielo was caught with a masking agaent and Jessica Hardy as well as Fred Bousquet were caught with roids. (notice three of those are gold medalists)

[Bonaparte]

The best compounds to get around drug testing are HGH and test base.
I'd look into those the most.

Anything else is too much of a gamble at the Olympic level.

[aronjrsmil]

The best compounds to get around drug testing are HGH and test base.
I'd look into those the most.

Anything else is too much of a gamble at the Olympic level.

They have just been able to start testing for HGH. Also it's very hard to find. Test can also be dectected and would do him no good in swimming(too much bulk)

[rippedfromabove]

I dont think hgh is detectable

[Hazard]

They can test for hgh but you'd have to inject it right before ur bloodrest...... This is why no one in the nfl will get caught for it. They'd hafta test these guys in the middle of the night when they're sleeping.

Aronjrsmil - test base is very short lived in the body so its detection time is minimal. Its not like test e or even prop.

~Haz~

[DanB]

there is a test and it can be detected

http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d.../qa_hgh_en.pdf

im nearly sure that there is now a more advanced test which has replaced this one aswell

[DanB]

this is the test i refered to above, they are pushing it for this years olympics and if found to be effective it could cause major problems

http://tribune-chronicle.com/page/co...sap=1&nav=5034

[rippedfromabove]

That is prob so expensive they need a seperate budget for it. Besides its only 21 days

[DanB]

yes but if effective it means nobody will be on hgh at olympics for fear of this test, and will cause major problems in all sports that have random testing if they choose to implement it, like swimming for the op

[BBrian]

this is the test i refered to above, they are pushing it for this years olympics and if found to be effective it could cause major problems

http://tribune-chronicle.com/page/co...sap=1&nav=5034

Niggli was coy about whether the new test would be in place at London's 2012 Games, which start in July.
"If it would be, I wouldn't tell you," he said. "We want to keep the element of surprise."

Anyone else feel that this entire thing could be nothing more than propaganda with the intent of scaring olympic athletes into being clean?

[DanB]

possibly but wada among other bodies know's the extent of gh use and im sure they are trying to develop something to stop it, but when this will happen well your guess is prob as good as mine

[rippedfromabove]

I think its propaganda. Like hgh is undetectable unless at extreme dosages. And short halflife (hence why we pin it everyday) makes it hard