Winstrol Only Cycle. Need EXPERIENCED advice

[navman]

Hello again.

I was originally going to be doing a winstrol 400mg and primobolan600mg cycle as i am looking at cutting up i care not for bulking. In my first thread i was told that doing that cycle is rubbish but am now reading and researching on a winstrol only cycle and there are mixed reviews out there.

I am 21, i have been training hard for 5 years and weight 81kg's. Body type is meso-ecto.

I want to cycle for 8 weeks only on winstrol and am curious to others past experience on this or if you knew any one that did, how were the results?
. Also how do you suggest i cycle this and please dont bash my questions without a solution. I am new to the steroid world and am learning with every dumb question i ask lol.

[Swifto]

This cycle isnt ideal but it can work.

I have a friend who cycles Winstrol only and it works for him. He doesn't gain a lot and he uses it pre-summer (yeah, he's one of those guys).

Your labido shouldn't drop, but it may. If it does, add some Proviron at 25mg/ED, although a DHT only based cycle should be fine.

Why don't you run a form of Test with it? Test Prop for example?

wk 1-6 Winstrol 50-75mg/ED
wk 1-6 Proviron 25mg/ED.
*Tribulus 1g/ED (Sophrama only)



PCT

wk 1-4 Tamox 20mg/ED (40mg/ED week 1)

[navman]

Would you say with steroids you need to find what works for you?

I really don't want to get any bigger at this point in my training. I have read alot about winstrol and from my research it offers everything i want.
Why isn't it ideal? Also I will be taking a PCT after it.

What's DHT?

I think i will run test in the future many months from now but for now just focused on lowering body fat very happy with my muscle mass

Me now:

[TRT2010]

BTW the body fat you do have you could lose in like a month of carido and diet. Just dose up on your bcaa and a bity more protein and u wont need the winni at all

[Hitman Heimler]

I have done a Winni only cycle for cutting. It was useful in helping fat loss, and especially during the workout, but I still actually think that you could do almost as good without it. It's not very powerful by itself, at least to me, but it could "help". I still feel that it comes down to how well you control your diet and the amount of exercise/cardio you get. So a long answer in short... it will help if you have every part of dieting down first, IMO. Good luck man, and I have mercy on you if you use injectable...Ouch!! lol

[TRT2010]

I meen i quess it will work for you. You dont have the high of BF%. If you could throw in a little bit of test it would be better. Just like 10cc vial and maybe do 200-250 mg a week. If you do that with the winni you will see alot better gains. Seeing as you can get winni im assuming you could prob get the test. I dont think you should anyways seeing as your 21 and all.

[tomt45]

Are you using injectable or oral winstrol? Personally I have never used injectable winstrol but I heard it hurts really bad... If you are trying to put on some muscle but primarily just cut up I would suggest doing what TRT said and run a low dose of test prop. If you just want to cut bf% you can do that with diet and cardio... Add some clen and you will shred up fast if your diet is good. IMO there is really no need to run aas if you simply want to cut and are not concerned at all with putting on muscle mass.

One other thing winstrol is a great addition to a cutting cycle but it does not aid in fat loss. It will make you look harder and more vascular as well as adding a slight amount of muscle or at least preserving what you already have on a calorie restriced diet but it will not in itself make you lose more fat.

I am running winstrol for the last 5 weeks of my test prop, tren a cycle. I could get oral or injectable but I since I have heard the injectable hurts so bad I dont know if I should get it. Any of you guys have much experience with injectable winstrol? Are the results superior to the oral version? Is it worth the pain or should I stick with the oral version like planned?

[Hitman Heimler]

Personally, I had a lot of pain with injectable. I fought through it, but I will be using oral next time (never used oral). I also had trouble when injecting. Since it's very crystaline the plunger would get stuck and not move. I found that by pulling back the plunger a little bit (like you're aspirating) and then continuing to push worked.

[tomt45]

Since you are only 21 you really should think long and hard about whether or not you are ready to do any steroids. What is your bf% and what would you like to get down to? I really think you could achieve the results you want with a good diet, plenty of cardio and maybe add some clen.

[Cravenmorehead]

At your age I would forget the Winny which can destroy your joints and go with Anavar.....it's well worth the extra money.

[BBrian]

Craven beat me to it, have you researched Anavar? I feel that it is far superior to Winstrol, not only in terms of toxicity and side affects, but also in terms of maintaining cycle progress in the aftermath. As for the pain behind injecting winny, this is the standard when injecting any water-based anabolic - winstrol is not unique in this regard. As well, running water based steroids through a syringe is very often a complete pain in the ass, as it is prone to separating from the water and getting stuck in that tiny little needle. I've purchased a water based steroid once and I'll never make that mistake again, as I ended up only wasting much of the product.

Now, on the subject of not wanting to add mass and not wanting to use test, is this because you're afraid that using any amount of testosterone is going to turn you into the the alter ego of Dr. Bruce Banner? Are you worried that everyone will know that you're doing anabolics? Because if this is the case, I can tell you that while your apprehension is a common fallacy. Doing a small amount of test and eating accordingly will prevent you from blowing up. In fact, it probably takes a lot more testosterone than you think to look like a bulging freak from the cover of Muscle magazine.

[Black]

Your money would get more use if you donated it to a charity.

[navman]

All this talk about test got me thinking that i should ad some prob to my cycle. Which is what i will most probably do. Can you recommend how i should cycle the two for a beginner?
I was thinking a total of 24ml propionate and 20ml of winstrol over 8 weeks.
I'm not worried about needled or steroids etc just that i will get the results i'm not after. I dont mind putting on a bit of size if it's what i have to do. I think i was being a bit unrealistic in what i said about cut only.
Also it's 2 late i already have the winstrol :-/
No pain no gain lol i don't mind if it's injectable not sure which one it is though as i have to pick it up tomorrow from a friend.

[marcus300]

Honestly, you do not need steriods to accomplish your goal.

[navman]

either way i'm doing it so just some advice on how i should do it would help

[marcus300]

either way i'm doing it so just some advice on how i should do it would help

I wouldn't give advice to a 21yr old on how to cycle a winstol only cycle to help him cut. My advice would be for not to use steriods at your age and especially if your goal is to cut. Maybe someone else who thinks different than me can help you, all the best.

[navman]

Well clearly i didn't ask in my 1st post for some one to try and talk me out of steroids but to give me an educated answer on how i should do it. Regardless of being 21 or not is it not a good thing to do it properly?
So please keep your irrelevant .....advice....to your self and out of my thread marcus.

P.S 21 or not you shouldn't do steroids but we all have our reasons and are willing to take the risk.

[marcus300]

Well clearly i didn't ask in my 1st post for some one to try and talk me out of steroids but to give me an educated answer on how i should do it. Regardless of being 21 or not is it not a good thing to do it properly?
So please keep your irrelevant .....advice....to your self and out of my thread marcus.

P.S 21 or not you shouldn't do steroids but we all have our reasons and are willing to take the risk.

No you didnt ask anyone to talk you out of taking steroids, that would be a stupid thread wouldnt it.

You asked "need experienced advice" on a open forum where anyone can give their opinion. I gave you my opinion which is from smeone who is more educated on this subject than you. You didnt like it so you dont have to read or listen to it again.

To answer your other question - there isnt a correct way to cycle winstrol only for someone with your stats properly, because they right and proper way in MY opinion is not to run a winny only cycle to cut your bf when your only 21yrs old.

Your just waiting for advice you want to hear, which is fine so I will leave your thread and let someone tell you what you want to hear, best of luck

[Matt]

Well clearly i didn't ask in my 1st post for some one to try and talk me out of steroids but to give me an educated answer on how i should do it. Regardless of being 21 or not is it not a good thing to do it properly?
So please keep your irrelevant .....advice....to your self and out of my thread marcus.

P.S 21 or not you shouldn't do steroids but we all have our reasons and are willing to take the risk.

OP thats not called for, you came here asking for advice and were lucky enough to receive advice from one of the most experienced bber's your ever likely to speak to...

You don't have to take his advice but please be a little more respectful....

[*Admin*]

OP thats not called for, you came here asking for advice and were lucky enough to receive advice from one of the most experienced bber's your ever likely to speak to...

You don't have to take his advice but please be a little more respectful....

This is the best advice you will ever get... I advise you take it!

[hankdiesel]

I hate how winstrol lowers my hdl to single digits. I try to stay clear of it, especially the oral version. I took winny by itself about 6 years ago and wasn't very happy with the results.

[TRT2010]

Yeah i feel a little weird on giving him some advise and then on same post try and tell him he should be doing it. Stain on me

[navman]

Read a bit harder and tell me where i tried to force anyone to give me an answer. If you can't base an argument on facts and need to make up a sentence to prove a stupid point then I feel sorry for you and you're a waste of my time. I care not for what weight i supposedly put on your shoulder.
You've been a member for 5 months and now think you can dictate how questions should be asked on a forum.
I came her for advice on how to cycle what I will be doing. Not have some....bear...come and try to shut me down for something he miss interpreted.

[The Bear 79]

Yap yap yap yap yap yap....................I doesn't matter how long I've been a member, the facts r the facts. Ur diet & training r insufficient & ur 2 yung. U should not b using steroids til u learn how 2 eat & train properly & ur @ least 25. "I care not" how u feel about it.

[TRT2010]

Then I guess this thread is over with yeah? You got some advise. Some telling you to do this and some telling you to do that. Now there is no need for bashing any productive and active members of this board. Good luck but you should reconcider

[navman]

I had no intention of bashing just that i was going to do it so if someone could help it would be appreciated wasn't trying to act like a spoilt brat but things can be miss interpreted over messages

[navman]

My training is fine and diet went to shit on xmas week till now. I will take in what you said about being 25 and steroids.
You say you don't care but it's quite obvious you do but thank you for finally posting something useful.

[TRT2010]

No I hear ya. Just be reminded that it sucks when we get young ppl even teenage kids posting that they did gear and now they are f'ed up and want more advise on HRT or TRT cause they didnt recover form doing stuff so young

[Matt]

Im sure one of the board rules states that flaming will not be tolerated...

Could we please adhere to that......

[The Bear 79]

Sorry. Wasn't my intention.

[Matt]

Sorry. Wasn't my intention.

I understand your frustration Bear, sometimes its better to just ignore threads that anger you, there are many other threads and members that would benefit from your advice....

[The Bear 79]

10-4

[aronjrsmil]

instead of adding steroids, talk to a nutritionist. those guys are great!

[TRT2010]

this guy is long gone fellas im sure, or made a new name. Keep your eyes open lol

[Cravenmorehead]

Just because you've bought the gear doesn't mean you have to use it.........take the winny and throw it in the garbage. At 21 I might consider low dose var and that's it.......there's plenty of test in that body to look great........just put in the work.

[Hitman Heimler]

This is actually a great spot to insert this: I have done a Winni only cycle... I was experimenting, as opposed to using it to get lean or bulk up. I wouldn't recommend doing it to anyone. It was a waste of money, and wouldn't give the desired effects one would be looking for usually in Winni. Trust me, you can shred up without it, and it would be just as good if you didn't have it. That's "Experienced" advice I wish you luck on whatever road you choose!

[navman]

Thank you for that Hitman. I went today and bought all the food i needed to cut down. I also went and purchased some prob to add to the winni cycle. I will keep everyone updated with with detailed progress over my eight weeks. So keep on reading.