Thread: First test e cycle help please
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01-23-2012, 05:01 AM #1New Member
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First test e cycle help please
Hey everyone. I have been training for about 6 years now and cnt shed my last 6 kilos. It is left overs from being severely Overweight as a child and having a super slow metabolism. I am very fit. HAve recently given up alcohol completely, which I know is the problem.
So, I have been researching for months and have decided to try a test e cycle, 12 weeks to see how my body responds. For anyone who wants to tell me not to, I really do appreciate the gesture, and I also appreciate the fvt that aas are not to be taken lightly. I am in need of help on how to run the cycle. So far I have
Week 1-12 400 of test e ( 200 mon 200 thurs)
Week 14-17 nolva at 40/40/20/20
I really need help on the pct and any other gear I need to take during the cycle to stop any sides. I am fairly new To this and would really appreciate any help.
Cheers
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01-23-2012, 05:05 AM #2Originally Posted by DieselTrain
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01-23-2012, 05:08 AM #3New Member
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24 yrsold
5'9 180cm
190 pounds 87 kilograms
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01-23-2012, 05:26 AM #4Originally Posted by DieselTrain
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01-23-2012, 05:32 AM #5New Member
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I have no idea haha how do you measure it?
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01-23-2012, 06:11 AM #7Banned
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Im not sure why people keep bringing up gyno and higher bf to be linked in some way, there are studies that say there is nothing in correlation between the two, having low bf, or high bf will have the same effect on gyno. I will find the study and post it. The reason why you want lower bf its bc aas increase bp, hr and increases cholesterol...people with higher bf tent to have higher bad cholesterol, hr, and bp, also it will be harder to see gains and deffenition. I think swifto had a thread about this ill look for the study there first.
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I must say, I did not know that. Just what I've always heard. I know I've done up to 2 grams of test with no gyno problems but at the same time I know a guy who's about 8% BF and he gets gyno just looking at a bottle of test...live and learn I guess. This is why I love this forum.
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01-23-2012, 10:39 AM #9Banned
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http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...now-about-GYNO. here is a good thread to read about gyno, but im looking for the study still dont worry ill find it, it think is in my home laptop so it might be posted later, but is good to read and learn from all this threads as they might be useful in the future, i usually save all this threads that are important and have to do with side effects, not just for me but for other people looking for info.
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Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
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01-23-2012, 11:17 AM #12
adipose is a source for much of our aromatase so it makes sense to want to lower bf down to decent levels before a cycle..like gix said, even more so in sensitive people..and then there's pseudo gyno
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01-23-2012, 12:10 PM #14Originally Posted by felk87
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01-23-2012, 12:21 PM #16Banned
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Yeah i knew it was one of the gurus on here but i have it saved in my laptop and for what i can remember bf had nothing to do with it, but it makes sence that if your are prone to it and you have exessive bf you have a greater chance of the gyno happening...o and i am also on my phone so spelling doesnt count for this guy .
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01-23-2012, 02:13 PM #17Productive Member
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I think that it's easy for people to confuse a direct correlation between aromotasing with gyno and higher bodyfat percentages because when bloating occurs, it makes fatty areas look even more fat, and those with high bf% very often confuse the fat around the nipple and pecs as the occurrence of gyno. This even occurs with creatine bloating.
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Originally Posted by BBrian
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01-23-2012, 03:02 PM #19Productive Member
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Originally Posted by BBrian
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01-23-2012, 05:47 PM #22New Member
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So can anyone help me withthe cycle? I will run somethin light to Prevent gyno and to help teste recovery
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01-23-2012, 06:00 PM #23Originally Posted by DieselTrain
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01-23-2012, 06:40 PM #24New Member
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So can anyone help me withthe cycle? I will run somethin light to Prevent gyno and to help teste recovery
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01-23-2012, 06:41 PM #25Banned
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Did u not read post #23?
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01-23-2012, 06:42 PM #26New Member
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Haha now worries cheers. So what Ai is needed and how much do I need? Is it oral or is it mixed with the pin?
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01-23-2012, 06:46 PM #27Banned
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You're not showing much knowledge bro, & it kinda makes me nervous for you. You should have done enough research before putting this cycle together to know the answers to these questions. I dont know of any injectable AI's. Have a look at this ........ http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.Tx3VTIEsZX0 ........ & this....... http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...9#.Tx3VoYEsZX0
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01-23-2012, 07:05 PM #28New Member
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Yeah cheers. This thread is research mate. I won't start until
I have a solid cycle locked down.
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01-23-2012, 08:20 PM #29New Member
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So after a bit of research thanks to The Bear ^^^, my new cycle goes like this:
Week 1-12 400mg test e per week split into 2 doses
Week 1-12 20mg aromasin Ed(is this correct)
Week 13-14 ?? take nothing or continue aromasin?
Week 15-18 nolva and clomid at 40/40/20/20
Also will be taking fish oil and vitamins ed.
Opinions?
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01-23-2012, 08:27 PM #30Banned
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Not sure about the Aromasin dosage, I've never used it, but your PCT should start at week 13 & run through the end of week 16 (4 weeks) the Nolva dose is correct & thats usually all I use for PCT, but most around here like to use Clomid with at the dose dooie suggested in post #23. Have you considered running HCG on cycle? It will help a great deal in end of cycle recovery.
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01-23-2012, 08:48 PM #31Originally Posted by The Bear 79
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01-23-2012, 08:51 PM #32Banned
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Correct. What jackass told him to start in wk 13....................Sorry, I dont know why I said wk 13, must have been thinking Prop. or something. And yes, run the AI for as long as the Test. E. is present.
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01-25-2012, 07:22 AM #34New Member
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Awesome tHanks for your help everyone. So I will run the previously stated cycle but cut the Aromasin to 10 mg eod and up the dosage if I have any problems.
My last query is about HCG . I was thinking 125iU's twice a week during cycle? As a safeguard. But am I going overboard with the Ai and Hcg on a test only cycle? Or is the smart way to do it.
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01-25-2012, 07:59 AM #35Banned
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I would go with 250 iu, twice a week. And no, you're not going overboard, AI's & HCG don't do the same things, & as mild as this cycle may be, you're still gona have testicular atrophy (that's why we use the HCG) & you will still most likely have some estrogen side effects (that's the reason for the AI)
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