hey guys I need honest advice , help

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:03 PM

Ok here it is .. I'm 22. Been training now for 7 months with a personal trainer ... I model for a agency and I did my shoot Sunday ...I have seen the photos today and I'm really sick of this... I'm trying so hard to bulk up and tone up yet my body just won't do it... I train 4 to 5 days a week without fail... I have a diet that's Ben working great so what I would like to ask what steroids should i start on , how much of it and how can I get it ... I've tried so many things but my body just want give me the finishes I'm looking for .. can you help me out guys . I have had 2 months to think about it and really research the effects and I'm ready to give it ago....

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:05 PM

You've been training for 7 months total or 7 months with just the trainer?

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:07 PM

I've been training 8 months total... 7 months with a trainer ... I never have a session without him... Always one on one so i get it right ... I've come from 58 kilos when I started to 80 kilos now but the weight hasn't changed since...... I've got a dietition etc once a week and still not getting want I want for me .....

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:10 PM

Well, I can say with relative certainty, "there's your problem". It takes longer than that to build the body you want bro, 8 months is nothing in the "grand scheme of things". What does your diet & training regime look like?

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:17 PM

Maybe but I'm pissed off with myself as I want to enhance and work on being bigger ..... It's about 1 hour to hour and a half sessions .. he gets me working on everything over all... Literally he thrives on working every muscle and out sessions are 4 to 5 days a week as i work full time as well... I eat 8 meals a day 180 grams of fish or chicken ... Always vegies or salad and i have 10 pieces of fruit .... I have protien shakes and I have 6 eggs a day ...
Just want someone to help me by telling me what i should give a go to help me along to bulk up and tone up ... I'm happy to just do one cycle .... I'm not wanting to be massive .... I need help along here

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Maybe but I'm pissed off with myself as I want to enhance and work on being bigger ..... It's about 1 hour to hour and a half sessions .. he gets me working on everything over all... Literally he thrives on working every muscle and out sessions are 4 to 5 days a week as i work full time as well... I eat 8 meals a day 180 grams of fish or chicken ... Always vegies or salad and i have 10 pieces of fruit .... I have protien shakes and I have 6 eggs a day ...
Just want someone to help me by telling me what i should give a go to help me along to bulk up and tone up ... I'm happy to just do one cycle .... I'm not wanting to be massive .... I need help along here

This routine does not allow for sufficient rest & recovery time, if the muscles aren't allowed time to recover, they will not grow. And your diet doesn't look very impressive either. I think your trainer is a fraud. Would you like some REAL help with your training & diet, that will produce REAL results?

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:26 PM

Yes please ......

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:27 PM

Would steroids help with this also ....

**BBrian** · 01-25-2012, 05:31 PM

On a side note, you are being far too impatient with your physique. It takes much longer than 8 months of training to build a muscular body. Taking steroids now might give you some quick satisfaction, and as impatient as you appear to be I'm not surprised that this is very attractive to you, but the old saying "slow and steady hits the mark" holds true here. Looking great for the next few months dulls in comparison to irreversible regret later in life.

I'd also like to point out that when you say that your diet has been working great, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Keep training hard, find better methods, and above all, be patient!

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Would steroids help with this also ....

Steroids are not a good idea right now, you haven't even got your diet & training tuned in yet. Not to mention, cycling at your age, presents a significantly greater risk of doing potentially irreversible damage to your undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA.

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Yes please ......

Lets start with your diet. Post it here, include times of each meal, cals, proteins, carbs & fats of each meal also.

**baseline_9** · 01-25-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Maybe but I'm pissed off with myself as I want to enhance and work on being bigger ..... It's about 1 hour to hour and a half sessions .. he gets me working on everything over all... Literally he thrives on working every muscle and out sessions are 4 to 5 days a week as i work full time as well... I eat 8 meals a day 180 grams of fish or chicken ... Always vegies or salad and i have 10 pieces of fruit .... I have protien shakes and I have 6 eggs a day ...
Just want someone to help me by telling me what i should give a go to help me along to bulk up and tone up ... I'm happy to just do one cycle .... I'm not wanting to be massive .... I need help along here

Haha

We all said that...

Next thing you know your hooked like a junkie. You feel that you need it.

Trust me bro, when u go on and u swell up, people will notice and they will complement you... Were all humans, we love to be complimented on how we look... And thats it SNAP! Your hooked because as soon as you come off and you drop the size you now feel like less than you were before.. U will want it back

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:39 PM

Thanks Brian ... Just ment that I'm happy I've come from 58 to 80 kilos but I've been stuck at 80 kilos now for 6 weeks ..... How do i find other methods ... I don't want to do the wrong thing where I'm ****ed for months . This is why I have a personal trainer so often so i don't make that same mistake.. I understand what your saying but the pressure now is getting higher as I'm not changing in weight or muscle mass its coming along very slowly.... I'm working harder than ever ... Really pushing myself everytime ..... I would do what it takes .. all I'm looking for is help to encourage my muscle mass and give me a jolt .... Just enough to get me past this stage ...... What else can i do ..... Thanks
Bear , that's for that I understand but what else can I do ..... What other options are there for me ....

**baseline_9** · 01-25-2012, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Well, I can say with relative certainty, "there's your problem". It takes longer than that to build the body you want bro, 8 months is nothing in the "grand scheme of things". What does your diet & training regime look like?

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

This routine does not allow for sufficient rest & recovery time, if the muscles aren't allowed time to recover, they will not grow. And your diet doesn't look very impressive either. I think your trainer is a fraud. Would you like some REAL help with your training & diet, that will produce REAL results?

Originally Posted by BBrian

On a side note, you are being far too impatient with your physique. It takes much longer than 8 months of training to build a muscular body. Taking steroids now might give you some quick satisfaction, and as impatient as you appear to be I'm not surprised that this is very attractive to you, but the old saying "slow and steady hits the mark" holds true here. Looking great for the next few months dulls in comparison to irreversible regret later in life.

I'd also like to point out that when you say that your diet has been working great, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Keep training hard, find better methods, and above all, be patient!

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Steroids are not a good idea right now, you haven't even got your diet & training tuned in yet. Not to mention, cycling at your age, presents a significantly greater risk of doing potentially irreversible damage to your undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA.

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Lets start with your diet. Post it here, include times of each meal, cals, proteins, carbs & fats of each meal also.

OP,

Listen to these guys......

Gents, im off 2 sleep

**hibriebj** · 01-25-2012, 05:43 PM

I will listen .... I can assure you I wouldby become a junkie why as if you knew me I'm far from that .. very career driven .. I wouldn't do something if i was told not to nor would I hide it .... I have doubts in steroids and am worried but if it will throw me forward so I've got a kick start then from there I'm happy..... I don't smoke , drink nothing ... Work a holic and hard screwed on right ..... Thanks for the advice
I would this properly ....
My diet .... I will post it up as soon as i can as I'm at work..

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Thanks Brian ... Just ment that I'm happy I've come from 58 to 80 kilos but I've been stuck at 80 kilos now for 6 weeks ..... How do i find other methods ... I don't want to do the wrong thing where I'm ****ed for months . This is why I have a personal trainer so often so i don't make that same mistake.. I understand what your saying but the pressure now is getting higher as I'm not changing in weight or muscle mass its coming along very slowly.... I'm working harder than ever ... Really pushing myself everytime ..... I would do what it takes .. all I'm looking for is help to encourage my muscle mass and give me a jolt .... Just enough to get me past this stage ...... What else can i do ..... Thanks
Bear , that's for that I understand but what else can I do ..... What other options are there for me ....

Refer to post #11

**redz** · 01-25-2012, 06:10 PM

Fix your diet and dump the personal trainer that trains you "all over" every workout. Did you say 10 servings of fruit??? so much wrong here. Steroids wouldn`t even help with the way you are doing things.

**BBrian** · 01-25-2012, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Fix your diet and dump the personal trainer that trains you "all over" every workout. Did you say 10 servings of fruit??? so much wrong here. Steroids wouldn`t even help with the way you are doing things.

I seriously agree with this and Bear's statement regarding your trainer. Personal trainers are a dime a dozen in most cases and they all have varying opinions, but full-body workouts, in my opinion, are not conducive to gaining mass. Working one muscle group per day and allowing them a week to fully recover is the most popular method for good reasons.

**V-ROID** · 01-25-2012, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by redz

Fix your diet and dump the personal trainer that trains you "all over" every workout. Did you say 10 servings of fruit??? so much wrong here. Steroids wouldn`t even help with the way you are doing things.

Exactly! Simplify your workouts. Give yourself time to recover. Cut out some of the sugar (fruit). The sooner you start a post in the diet section the sooner you will have that "ah ha!" moment!

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-25-2012, 06:41 PM

Agree with everyone above that said get a different trainer. Or make sure he understands your goals. What he has you doing might be good for fitness, but not putting on muscle. And you need to be able to grow on your own before AAS will help. Get diet help in the nutrition section and start lifting correctly for growth and I bet you will get bigger.

Don't get discouraged that many are saying skip the drugs...we may be able to get you growing without them for now. One step at a time.

**felk87** · 01-25-2012, 09:15 PM

Has no one realized this dude is 22, aside from him not being the age for aas, he seems like a troll to me, ge talks about his trainer in one post as this is the only reason why he gained weight in the first place, than in another post he talks about the fact that he cant gain any more weight is the reason why he now has a trainer. Personally i think this dude is full of shyt.

**The Bear 79** · 01-25-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by felk87

Has no one realized this dude is 22, aside from him not being the age for aas, he seems like a troll to me, ge talks about his trainer in one post as this is the only reason why he gained weight in the first place, than in another post he talks about the fact that he cant gain any more weight is the reason why he now has a trainer. Personally i think this dude is full of shyt.

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Steroids are not a good idea right now, you haven't even got your diet & training tuned in yet. Not to mention, cycling at your age, presents a significantly greater risk of doing potentially irreversible damage to your undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA.

I don't think he's full of sh!t, I think he got a BS wannabe trainer & needs real help.

**felk87** · 01-25-2012, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

I don't think he's full of sh!t, I think he got a BS wannabe trainer & needs real help.

bear...

**AllAmerican-PCS** · 01-25-2012, 10:13 PM

Patience is a Virtue!!! With alot of people it takes a year or 2 to get where they want to be......Im not saying there are not good trainers out there but most of them I see in the gyms are just there for the pay, slapping most people with some bs routine.

**BBrian** · 01-25-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by felk87

Has no one realized this dude is 22, aside from him not being the age for aas, he seems like a troll to me, ge talks about his trainer in one post as this is the only reason why he gained weight in the first place, than in another post he talks about the fact that he cant gain any more weight is the reason why he now has a trainer. Personally i think this dude is full of shyt.

He's at the right place asking the right questions. No need to be unconstructive, this is the point of this forum in the first place instead of being a place for clicks perfect fits.

**Twolf20** · 01-25-2012, 11:17 PM

Do the right thing. Dedicate yourself to a long term plan, not a quick fix. When diet, training, and age all come together you are ready to push past your potential....

**nusa** · 01-25-2012, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

I've been training 8 months total... 7 months with a trainer ... I never have a session without him... Always one on one so i get it right ... I've come from 58 kilos when I started to 80 kilos now but the weight hasn't changed since...... I've got a dietition etc once a week and still not getting want I want for me .....

This guy is a troll! Did anyone not pick up on how he supposedly put on 22kgs in 8 months? I call BS

**BBrian** · 01-25-2012, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by nusa

This guy is a troll! Did anyone not pick up on how he supposedly put on 22kgs in 8 months? I call BS

I fail to see how his desire to exaggerate dictates that his concerns and seeking advice is total bs. I'd consider that being petty is the real bs. Good lord guys, we have moderators for these forums already.

**nusa** · 01-25-2012, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

I fail to see how his desire to exaggerate dictates that his concerns and seeking advice is total bs. I'd consider that being petty is the real bs. Good lord guys, we have moderators for these forums already.

It's pretty hard to take the guy seriously when he's asking if he should take steroids because he's platued with his gains after "supposedly" already putting on 22kgs natural in 8months. If he wants advice he should of been honest straight up and he wouldn't of been called out simple!

**BBrian** · 01-26-2012, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by nusa

It's pretty hard to take the guy seriously when he's asking if he should take steroids because he's platued with his gains after "supposedly" already putting on 22kgs natural in 8months. If he wants advice he should of been honest straight up and he wouldn't of been called out simple!

I would agree that exaggerating is pointless and silly, but that doesn't make him a "troll". A troll would be someone who is here to do nothing but stir up problems with no constructive aspect to their posts. That obviously isn't the case here.

**nusa** · 01-26-2012, 12:27 AM

Yeah your right maybe he's not complete trioll but it's a decent slice of BS none the less.

**hibriebj** · 01-26-2012, 12:33 AM

Thanks for all the feed back.... I will see someone else for diet ... As for trainer how do I find the right pt ... How do i know there giving me what i want ? ? ?

**grumpee** · 01-26-2012, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by baseline_9

Haha

We all said that...

Next thing you know your hooked like a junkie. You feel that you need it.

Trust me bro, when u go on and u swell up, people will notice and they will complement you... Were all humans, we love to be complimented on how we look... And thats it SNAP! Your hooked because as soon as you come off and you drop the size you now feel like less than you were before.. U will want it back

Very True,

**hibriebj** · 01-26-2012, 12:39 AM

Ok guys I'm as honest as ever thanks .. I've come on here to ask questions and get answers ... I have never had anything other than food and training in my routine .... Why i put on that much weight is because I was anarexic before hand always fighting with weight .... Once I got picked for this agency they said you need to put in weight ... I went to this trainer who said you basically need to put on weight ... So since then all I've done is relax and realise its normal to gain ....... I've come along way I know but o just thought if u ask some people on here who know what there doing they can hopefully help me .... The doctor said for my height I should be at 80kilos since I've reached it I haven't been able to go over that ....... Thanks for all the replies ....

**warren916** · 01-26-2012, 02:31 AM

Its your choice bro, but play the tape all the way thru...your 22 years old, your body is still developing, and you could potentially risk ruining your hormal balance FOREVER....or ..continue working out until the age of 25, 26 then considering running a cycle then..only 3 years away.

**Times Roman** · 01-26-2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

I've been training 8 months total... 7 months with a trainer ... I never have a session without him... Always one on one so i get it right ... I've come from 58 kilos when I started to 80 kilos now but the weight hasn't changed since...... I've got a dietition etc once a week and still not getting want I want for me .....

Mate,

not sure where you got the idea that you can do in a few short months what takes the rest of us years to accomplish?

I've had injuries/rehab lasting longer than you've been working out.

You are not ready for steroids , your hormonal system is not ready for steroids, and you need to be patient and let the process work. This takes TIME mate!

Regarding your "dietician", I'd be interested to see your diet. Go ahead to the diet section, post your diet in a new thread, complete with your TDEE, macros per meal and total macros per day, then let us take a look.

I'm willing to bet your "diet" isn't as tight as you think it is.

But give the steroids a rest for awhile. Steroids are the last thing to consider, after everything else.

---Roman

**Times Roman** · 01-26-2012, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by hibriebj

Ok guys I'm as honest as ever thanks .. I've come on here to ask questions and get answers ... I have never had anything other than food and training in my routine .... Why i put on that much weight is because I was anarexic before hand always fighting with weight .... Once I got picked for this agency they said you need to put in weight ... I went to this trainer who said you basically need to put on weight ... So since then all I've done is relax and realise its normal to gain ....... I've come along way I know but o just thought if u ask some people on here who know what there doing they can hopefully help me .... The doctor said for my height I should be at 80kilos since I've reached it I haven't been able to go over that ....... Thanks for all the replies ....

not to pick mate, but sounds like you want to go from one extreme (anarexia) to another (steroids ). There is a better way! Post the diet like i suggested, and we have staff that will analyze it and give you some honest feedback.

**felk87** · 01-26-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by BBrian

He's at the right place asking the right questions. No need to be unconstructive, this is the point of this forum in the first place instead of being a place for clicks perfect fits.

Is also not the place to comment on all when you dont really know the answer, just yo get your post count up...or post opinions when people want answers and you have no clue.

**felk87** · 01-26-2012, 08:10 AM

Plus when i mean hes trolling around wanting everything feed to...he needs to go read, a lot of people told him what to do but he still insist in aas with out knowing the first thing about them. That shows how undedicated he is, he wont even take the time to read, which = when he decides to do aas hell expect them to work by just doiing what he is currently doing.

**gixxerboy1** · 01-26-2012, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by redz

Fix your diet and dump the personal trainer that trains you "all over" every workout. Did you say 10 servings of fruit??? so much wrong here. Steroids wouldn`t even help with the way you are doing things.

I agree completely