First cycle - Prop/Winny and need advice

[JackSwole]

I joined the forums a few months ago starting research and trying to make sense of what's legit and what's bro-science. Back then, I knew next to nothing about gear and now I feel like I know just enough to be dangerous. So with that said, I have a few questions.

I have Test Prop at 140mg/ml and Winstrol in 50mg pills. For PCT I'm running Tamoxifen and I have Clomid (not sure if I'm using it) from a research site I found here.

This is my plan for the cycle:

Weeks
1-10 Test Prop 100mg EOD
7-10 Winstrol 50mg ED
11-14 Tamox 40/40/20/20

Questions:
1. I've been told this is a very mild cycle - but I don't want to push it on my first go. Still, should I go out to 12 weeks or back it down to 8 as some have suggested?
2. Should I run the Winny longer than 4 weeks?
3. With such a short ester and lighter cycle, is it necessary to run the Clomid along with the Tamoxifen or is this okay for a PCT?
4. Is it necessary to use an AI?

It seems like everyone gets asked their stats - here's mine if you need it:
Age: 31
Height: 67"
Weight: 165lbs
BF: 15%

[Times Roman]

JS,
With test prop, you will see the effects rather quickly compared to e or c. as such, you can probably shorten your cycle down to 10 or even 8 weeks. You can pin prop eod, but personally, i'd go ed. once you start pinning, you will realize it is NO big deal, and ed dosing with prop provides a stable blood serum level.
And this is your FIRST cycle, so i'd recommend just running the test only, and forget about the winnie. become familar with test, and know what it does to your body this cycle. next cycle, you should use a scientific approach and you can add one compound you have not used before. benefit is that with one unknown, and if something goes wrong, you know what is causing it. with two unknowns and something goes wrong, you are only guessing, which is not good.

Do you have your diet dialed in? Have you posted it in the nutrition section for others to examine? cycling without your diet being on point will diminish results.

Since i trt and very little direct experience with PCT, i'll let others address those concerns.

Good luck!
---Roman

[JackSwole]

Thanks TR.

I've already been thinking about 86ing the Winstrol - I'm in no hurry here. Off hand, do you know the shelf life of winnie? Most likely, I'll give it back to my source, but if I can keep it around, I might use if for a future cycle.

Pinning the prop ED - would I still want to go 100mg?

My diet is in check. I'm a health and wellness major and that's been my soap box for years. Still, I'll hit up the nutrition section as you mentioned and see what they got.

Thanks again.

[Times Roman]

^ as with any tablet/powder, shelf life is almost indefinate, so long as it is kept well. typical.... no moisture, room temp, dark area....

for the prop, keep the weekly dose the same, just ed = 50% of eod

I'd still recommend the posting of your diet in the nutrition section. GB and a couple of the others that work there really have thier shit together, AND there is a big difference between what is the right diet for a joe sixpack type and a weight lifter. little things like the difference between white and brown rice, white potatoes and sweet potatoes.... when to eat simple carbs and when not to.... that sort of thing. when you post your diet, please include your TDEE, your macros per meal and macros per day.

Sounds like you are on the right track though.

Good luck!
---Roman

[BBrian]

Pinning every day probably means you'll want to lesson the amount of each injection, the key is determining how many mg per week you want. At 31 I think it's a really good idea to do Clomid and Nolva for PCT, no sense in half-assing it at that age. And yes, it definitely is necessary to use an AI on any cycle that has aromatasing compounds.

[JackSwole]

I'm looking at Dex in liquid form for an AI. So, I have a few more questions:

1) With my cycle, could it potentially hurt my gains to run .5mg ED for the entire 10weeks and is .5mgs the proper dose for LiquiDex?
2) If I am taking it the entire duration, should I stop when I pick up my PCT which will be liquid Tamox/Clomid?
3) Being liquid PO, is it okay to mix with some sort of juice like I plan with my PCT?

Thanks

[boxa06]

I'm looking at Dex in liquid form for an AI. So, I have a few more questions:

1) With my cycle, could it potentially hurt my gains to run .5mg ED for the entire 10weeks and is .5mgs the proper dose for LiquiDex? It won't hurt your gains but I suggest waiting until you get side effects otherwise you risk lowering estrogen too much and may get other side effects such as fatigue and low labido. Also you may not even need to run an ai at such a moderate dose of test.

2) If I am taking it the entire duration, should I stop when I pick up my PCT which will be liquid Tamox/Clomid? Yes the ai should be stopped a couple of days before PCT.

3) Being liquid PO, is it okay to mix with some sort of juice like I plan with my PCT? Yes

Thanks

Hope that helps!

[DeadlyD]

Why not start the adex at .25mgs EOD then adjust if needed and i don't think id wait fir the sides, just my 2 cents.