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    Would it be easier to burn fat with gear or without?

    Hello guys! Its been about 4 months since my last cycle (which was 16 weeks) and im getting ready to start my next cycle! Thing is thou, im at %14 bf. My goal from this cycle is muscular with a 6 pack! So for the past 5 week ive been following the "Ultimate diet 2.0" which is basically a carb cycling program. I run for an hour 4 days a week and my weight lifting basically has two purposes...days which promote anabolism and days to deplete carbs.
    Anyway, the results im getting are not that satisfactory but the are not that bad either! I cant really blame the program since ive tried various programs before and none of them worked as well for me as they did for other people...really bad genetics.
    My plan is to get down to %9 bf before starting the cycle. And the cycle would be just to gain lean muscle, while perhaps shedding a little bit more fat. But now im starting to realize that getting down to %9 bf "naturally" will cost me alot of time and mostly alot of hard earned muscle. Therefore, i was wondering if i could achieve that with the aid of aas!

    Basically, my question is would the proper gear "help" me loose fat more than doing it naturally would?

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    I do not believe the gear will dictate the weightloss. It always comes down to diet. But AAS can aid in the preservation of muscle while in a calorie deficit.

    Right now i am completely relying on diet for my fatloss and have noticed minimal muscle loss with no gear used

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    It's kind of a hard question to answer. AS increases muscle mass which in turn would burn more calories, but in order to get the most muscle gains you'd need to keep calories up in order to promote an anabolic environment. With that said I'd agree with noles that it'd probably be more of a situation where you'd be preserving the muscle as opposed to gaining. The whole key to weight loss obviously is to burn more calories than you take in, the AS would, at that point, help preserve muscle loss in that kind of an environment. You're best bet to get down to where you want to be is keep up the cardio and modify the diet to help achieve your goal. Adding in something like clen could help to speed that process up a little as long as diet is in check. Also I know i've seen on here people running low dose T3 cycle without AS and not losing much in the way of muscle mass, could be a viable option if you're looking to go that route.

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    One of the benefits of TRT is some reduction to BF% loss without necessarily having to lift weights to get there. But....

    ....having said this, the effect is minor to somewhat moderate, depending on how low your free test % was to begin with.

    For those that have "normal" test levels, the benefits gets kinda hazy

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    Higher test levels definitely help you to lose fat but will not make you lose fat alone. The higher the levels of androgen's in your system promote better efficacy of nutrients. You can extend cardio sessions on deficient calories with less fear of lean muscle losses. There are many benefits higher test give with supporting fat loss, but wont make you lose fat without change in diet/cardio.

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    from experience, i think cutting with steroids . is waste of money. its soley diet. yeah i mean it can assist but to what point.

    i think money spent on a good nutrionist is better money well spent.

    this all comes down to experince as well

    im cutting on gear atm. wish i did it natty.

    only reason im staying on it . (a low dose test ) is because im on keto and that my excuse lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by t-gunz View Post
    from experience, i think cutting with steroids . is waste of money. its soley diet. yeah i mean it can assist but to what point.

    i think money spent on a good nutrionist is better money well spent.

    this all comes down to experince as well

    im cutting on gear atm. wish i did it natty.

    only reason im staying on it . (a low dose test ) is because im on keto and that my excuse lol
    I completely disagree... Cutting with high dosages of test+tren allow you abuse yourself... Heavy weight training... Lots of cardio... Low caloric intake and loose no muscle if done properly, Hell you might even be able to gain a pound or two of LBM... If I trained that hard while natty i would be crippled by overtraining... Some gear will accelerate your loss.. but mainly it allows you to beat the shit outa yourself and keep your muscle....
    Last edited by soulstealer; 02-09-2012 at 01:29 AM.

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    ^^^good point/post .

    just my preference thats all.

    i totally see where u are coming from.

    i would just prefer to cut natty and use gear for the bulking stage.

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    So if i were to start a cycle with the goal of keeping the same bf and increasing LBM...what gear or stack would do the job best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x_SANDMAN_x View Post
    So if i were to start a cycle with the goal of keeping the same bf and increasing LBM...what gear or stack would do the job best?
    Cytomel and clenbuterol with a test def.... after that it depends on your cycle history.... and such....

    Personally my favorite cutter is Test+Tren +Anavar +cytomel+clenbuterol.....

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    For me the psychological effects of AAS help me with discipline and weight loss. I seem to do everything a little better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeniZen View Post
    For me the psychological effects of AAS help me with discipline and weight loss. I seem to do everything a little better!
    The psychological effects of gear make you think you could run head first through a brick wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulstealer View Post
    Cytomel and clenbuterol with a test def.... after that it depends on your cycle history.... and such....

    Personally my favorite cutter is Test Tren Anavar cytomel clenbuterol.....
    how long would you run it for and how would you dose it?

    This will be my 3rd cycle

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