Anavar Cycle Question

**gixxerboy1** · 03-05-2012, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

bmw?

yea and she has a benz

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

yea and she has a benz

Models?

**gixxerboy1** · 03-05-2012, 04:08 PM

330 and clk
i used to have an amg c55

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:11 PM

Thats cool I like all of those..only think I dont like about them after 100k is they start to go sour.

***D7M*** · 03-05-2012, 04:20 PM

He's a 24 yr old who wants to take var. What's the freaking problem?

I think sometimes we tend to err on the side of caution too much.

We're a steroid board after all, and IMO, telling 24yr olds they can't take Var is pretty extreme.

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:22 PM

Cause he can get it done with clen which is already has . I know what its like to take drugs to early I was lucky I made it out ok. I dont want to see the same thing happen to someone else

***D7M*** · 03-05-2012, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

Primo and Prov dont convert either, put I dont recommend he take those..all he wants to do is drop3%, there is no reason he needs to take anything..but clen if he must. If its working for him he can keep cycling and taking it longer periods at high dosages with Keto..that would give him what he wants without messing with HTPA at all. Clen works great sub 10%

Yah he wants to drop 3%...but going from 9 to 6 is NOTHING like going from 15 to 12.

Originally Posted by Razr.

I dont have a problem with Avanvar. Although oxandrolone is a 17-alpha alkylated steroid , its liver toxicity is very small. It messes with the liver and HTPA. If he is running clen , he can drop 2-3% on clen without a problem. Why mess with var if not necessary. With clen you dont have HTPA issues, not PCT necessary and you can run it 2 on 2 off or 4 on 2 off with Keto..All im saying is go with the less invasive way...no pct... and no htpa shutdown at 24.

"Why mess with it if it's not necessary?" It just begs the question: why take ANY steroids , ever? I mean you could eventually get to your BB/physique goals, so why ever take anything, right?

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:26 PM

So a guy comes on here, wanting to take var..no idea how to use it. we dont know his diet, training history, how he trains, what he eats, how many times a day he eats. Does he have a solid base, no idea about a proper AI, PCT, HCG but "hey sure, take the var, it wil be good for ya"

When he can get it done with clen if he uses it properly...dont make sense to me

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by D7M

"Why mess with it if it's not necessary?" It just begs the question: why take ANY steroids , ever? I mean you could eventually get to your BB/physique goals, so why ever take anything, right?

100% impossible to look like a pro bb without years of training and dedication and cycle after cycle after cycle
He just wants to loose 2%, why does he need to use steroids ?
He didn't say "I want to gain 25lbs" and its my first cycle
I know Im right about this and I know Im saving this guy some heart ache later on in life..

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 04:40 PM

Fine give him what he wants

Ok buddy here is your cycle
Try 6-10 weeks I would suggest the longer of 8-10 weeks
Var 50-60mg/ED for the first few days work you way up to 80mg
I would run hcg 250iu 2 times a week for atrophy and easier PCT restart
Please get your lvls check before starting anything and 2 weeks after pct is over
No need for AI since it does not convert. Can cause hair loss so watch out for that.

Run Clomid 50/50/20/20
Run nolva 40/40/20/10 for PCT .

Good luck,

**kelkel** · 03-05-2012, 05:59 PM

Evolved into a great thread. One thing Razr said hit home. The op should get some baseline BW done to have a reference.

And gixxer doesn't your avatar have a sister? Waiting to see that pic too!

**POPS** · 03-05-2012, 06:35 PM

Ok guys. Im going out on a limb here. But..... maybe we/he should look at his diet first. I ran var twice and absolutely loved it, felt great, looked great as well. But is was the diet and cardio that really made the difference!!

D7M, good to see ya brother!

**Addax** · 03-05-2012, 07:01 PM

Ok guys after much thinking and razr scaring my pants off. I think I might just clean up my diet more and incorporate more cardio. I dont feel like losing my hair or libido just to lose 2% bf. I really just wanted to do var since beach season is coming up and Ill be in California. Im considering just doing pre bb contest prep of no carbs and flushing with water for 6 days. I appreciate everyones input!

**Razor** · 03-05-2012, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Addax

Ok guys after much thinking and razr scaring my pants off. I think I might just clean up my diet more and incorporate more cardio. I dont feel like losing my hair or libido just to lose 2% bf. I really just wanted to do var since beach season is coming up and Ill be in California. Im considering just doing pre bb contest prep of no carbs and flushing with water for 6 days. I appreciate everyones input!

You have done yourself a great justice
I cant believe the vets fought me on this when clearly this was the right route to take

**lifeiswheyeasy** · 03-05-2012, 07:47 PM

here is the rules I have in a awesome book that the guy has collected decades of research. Rule 1 train naturally for 5 years before starting a cycle, you gain about 90% of your mass in the first 5 years, rule 2 refrain from use until 24, arrange to have ongoing medical supervision if possible bloodwork etc, rule 4 limit your cycle to 6-8 weeks this rule goes against the norm but shorter more frequent cycles are more effective, rule 5 buy from reliable source, rule 6 stop your cycles at first sign of trouble, I haven't even cycled but these are the rules I have listed to. hope it helps everyone is so fast to tell you NOT to instead of helping. regardless a guy in his 2o's is on top of the world and if he wants to cycle by god he's going to cycle if he want pus#y by god he'll hunt some down like a starving cave man, so instead of just saying no maybe say hey I would recommend you diet right train right sleep right and then if you still wanna cycle heres my advice. just my opinion, I've been considering sighning up to another site because those vets seem to wanna help you more so you dont get hurt or grow tits instead of just saying no, when most of those guys probably started young and didn't even do research or sign up to a forum because they didn't exist.

**Boxtrot** · 03-06-2012, 02:31 AM

Originally Posted by Addax

Ok guys after much thinking and razr scaring my pants off. I think I might just clean up my diet more and incorporate more cardio. I dont feel like losing my hair or libido just to lose 2% bf. I really just wanted to do var since beach season is coming up and Ill be in California. Im considering just doing pre bb contest prep of no carbs and flushing with water for 6 days. I appreciate everyones input!

Var is not associated with hair loss with its low androgenic effects. Taking HCG on cycle will help to stop you from losing your libido and easier restart of test production.

Personally i would never take clen the sides sounds horrible.

I think if u were already on var asking about clen you would get the same response. It's a bit of a moral predicament i suppose.

**Razor** · 03-06-2012, 02:51 AM

Clen gets such a bad rap....use it right and you won't get fcked up

**Boxtrot** · 03-06-2012, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by Razr.

Clen gets such a bad rap....use it right and you won't get fcked up

Which way will stop cardio hypertrophy?

**Razor** · 03-06-2012, 02:55 AM

That makes no sense

**Boxtrot** · 03-06-2012, 03:23 AM

which way is the right way to stop heart hypertrophy

**BBrian** · 03-06-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by Razr.

That makes no sense

Cardiovascular Hypertrophy. He's asking how to take Clen without putting stress on the heart, which for obvious reasons is more dangerous than putting mild suppression on the gonads

**JonnyConcrete** · 03-06-2012, 09:23 AM

Fuuark was considering using clen this summer. (Slightly scared now lol)
I've tried ephedrine before along with caffeine at a low dose and didn't feel much.

**Addax** · 03-06-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boxtrot

which way is the right way to stop heart hypertrophy

Couldn't the same thing be said about steroids , caffeine, tobacco, adderall? They all increase your heart rate which could lead to heart hypertrophy, hell most steroid abusers end up getting heart disease by the time they are 50.

**Razor** · 03-06-2012, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

Cardiovascular Hypertrophy. He's asking how to take Clen without putting stress on the heart, which for obvious reasons is more dangerous than putting mild suppression on the gonads

lol Cardiovascular Hypertrophy is the wrong definition.. the proper term is Ventricular hypertrophy which is the enlargement of the ventricles of the heart. If were being technical

Originally Posted by Addax

Couldn't the same thing be said about steroids, caffeine, tobacco, adderall? They all increase your heart rate which could lead to heart hypertrophy, hell most steroid abusers end up getting heart disease by the time they are 50.

Dont use steroids then

**BBrian** · 03-06-2012, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

Cardiovascular Hypertrophy is the wrong definition.. the proper term is Ventricular hypertrophy which is the enlargement of the ventricles of the heart.

You said that it didn't make sense, but apparently you are quite knowledgeable on the subject, lol.

**Razor** · 03-06-2012, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by BBrian

You said that it didn't make sense, but apparently you are quite knowledgeable on the subject, lol.

I got a big heart for women and sex what can I say

**BBrian** · 03-06-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Razr.

I got a big heart for women and sex what can I say

Well, we certainly have that in common.

**gearbox** · 03-06-2012, 03:37 PM

Ditto. I had a pa***aker put in so mine will never stop!

**spywizard** · 03-06-2012, 03:43 PM

all depends on what you hope it to do.. on a cutter = meaning you are on a caloric deficate diet, it will help stave off muscle atrophy.. it will also shrink up your nuts to the size of grapes, depending on the person and the dose.. 60mg is the magic for me.. but ill run 80mg for 2 weeks then 60mg to continue..

**Razor** · 03-06-2012, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

Ditto. I had a pa***aker put in so mine will never stop!

We got a dick cheny on the board I see

**Blergs** · 03-06-2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by D7M

Var can be midly suppressive, yes.

But I've ran var alone and never had libido problems with it.

You could go with Var 50-60mg/ED for 8-10 weeks.

Run nolva 40/40/20/20 for PCT.

I would still rec some test, even just 250mg ew with it but yes this is decent.
though I think 40mg nolva is un needed id probibly rec: 30/30/20/20

I dont like oral only cycle with not test base. or any for that matter. even just for HRT.