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    sustanon/dianabol cycle help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    height: 5'10.5
    weight: 205
    bf: 10 - 11%

    this is my newbie cycle
    the entire idea is to keep as many gains as i first all criticism is welcome !!!!

    cycle 1.
    week --> sus --> d-bol --> noval --> proviron --> clomid -->clen
    1 ---> 500--> 25mg --> --> 25 mg
    2 ---> 500--> 25mg --> --> 25 mg
    3 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg
    4 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg
    5 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg
    6 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg
    7 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg
    8 ---> 500--> 25mg --> 10mg --> 25 mg

    day after last d-bol 300 mg of clomid then.

    9 ----------------------------------------------> 100mg
    10 ---------------------------------------------> 50 mg
    11 ---------------------------------------------> 25 mg

    now, can some one tell me how much clenbuterol i need to start on after cycle to stop catabolysis ? i couldnt find reliable info on this, so lets brainstorm.. kthx.....

    which cycle is better cycle 1. or cycle 2 ?

    cycle 2.

    Weeks 1-10 sust 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 D-bol 30mg/week

    Clomid 3 weeks after last shot 300/100/50
    Last edited by gundam675; 04-12-2003 at 10:07 AM.

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    Try something like this.

    Weeks 1-10 sust 500mg/week
    Weeks 1-4 D-bol 30mg/week

    Clomid 3 weeks after last shot 300/100/50

    Have nolva on hand in case of gyno. Don't bother with the proviron .

    As for the clen run it with you clomid, here is some good info on clen.

    Clenbuterol handbook
    by BigAndy69

    What is Clenbuterol?

    Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
    for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
    FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
    like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
    like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
    hours and not 48 hours.

    Dosing and Cycling

    Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
    and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
    very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
    in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
    most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
    body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic /anti-catabolic properties
    fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
    consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
    for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

    Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

    Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
    raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
    about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

    DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
    because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
    benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
    half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

    As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
    would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
    Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
    may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a

    Side effects


    The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
    increased blood pressure.

    Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
    bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
    day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
    minimizing cramps.

    Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
    signs of a headache.

    Common Uses

    Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
    user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
    body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
    intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

    Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
    vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
    fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
    bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
    per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

    Alternative to Steroids : Clenbuterol has mild steroid -like properties and can be
    used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
    hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

    Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
    stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
    take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
    included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

    Precautions: Is Clen for you?

    The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
    some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
    with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
    are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
    before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

    A word on Ketotifen

    Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
    treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
    regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
    at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
    extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
    adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
    extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when

    Cycling Clenbuterol

    Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
    high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
    the first 3-4 days of use.

    A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
    until the side effects are not tolerable

    Example of a first cycle:

    Day1: 20mcg
    Day2: 40mcg
    Day3: 60mcg
    Day4: 80mcg
    Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
    Day6-Day12: 100mcg
    Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
    normal gradually)
    Day14: 60 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    Example of a second cycle:

    Day1: 60mcg
    Day2: 80mcg
    Day3: 80mcg
    Day4: 100mcg
    Day5: 100mcg
    Day6-Day12: 120mcg
    Day13: 100 mcg
    Day14: 80 mcgs
    Day15: off
    Day16: off
    Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

    What else do I need to know?

    Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
    levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
    Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
    cramps. It's a must with Clen.

    Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
    your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
    advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

    Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day

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    thanks, but why did u use d-bol for only 4 weeks ?

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    dbol receptors down grad quickly after long periods of time you dont get as much gains, you can use it longer than 4 weeks, but i think tuna is suggesting you use it first 4 weeks to jump start your cycle cause sust is a long asting ester and it will take about 4 weeks for it to accumualate in your system so their for you have dbol as a strong androgen in your system the firrst for weeks and them you stop it when the sust is accumulated, also for newbies 4 weeks is recomended to see how you react to dbol you dont wanan be on it for 8 weeks your first time and find out your gyno prone or have liver difficulties, if you are experienced with dbol then i would say you can go ahead and use it for longer, ive never really seen much of a nedd to run it longer than 5 weeks, i personaly like sust better at ten weeks as well, 8 weeks always seems to short and you just wanna stay on longer,
    Im not really sure of your goals so i dont no what dose clen to recomend to you, you can use it post cycle though as an anticatabolic, i never used it this way though i would assume doses are lower then for fat loss, i dont taper off clen anymore their isnt really much a point if you take NyC when you come off

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