2nd cycle. Test/Deca/Tren critiques wanted also 1st post

**measuretwicecutonce** · 04-02-2012, 12:37 AM

Sup guys

25years old, working out on and off for 8 years, more aggressively the last 3 years, diet is 80-90% clean 4000cals 30%protein 30%fat 60% carbs 5'11'' 182lbs 14%bf.

1st cycle was 500mg test cyp halved n poked biweekly 12 weeks, dbol 30mg ed 4 weeks.

too much for 2nd cycle? Drop the tren ? 1000 test also seems a bit high but then my homework tells me if i want to run deca i need at least 400mg and 12 weeks of it and also a 2-1 ration with the test.

Week 1-6 Dbol 50mg per day
Week 1-12 Deca 400mg per week
Week 11-20 Tren-Acetate 75mg every other day
Week 1-20 Test e 1,000mg per week
week 1-20 Armidex .5mg every other day

Would also be adding creatine (con-cret) for weeks 1-12 and then monohydrate for 13-20
Thought this would be a good bulk cycle with the tren enhancing the the anabolics and also cutting a little water out at the end of the cycle.

Your guys' thoughts? opinions?

**DamageDealer** · 04-02-2012, 12:53 AM

too many compounds, too much test. leave out the tren , and reduce dbol 's usage to 4 weeks. if you're planning to run a cycle that long, make sure to get HCG to pin it 250IU/2x a week. have some caber or bromocryptin on hand for prolac sides. what is your PCT?

**measuretwicecutonce** · 04-02-2012, 01:33 AM

I have caber as it seems to be the better quality for the deca side. and letro for the tren . Nolva 2 weeks after last test shot 1st 2 days 60mg then 3 weeks of 40mg then 3 weeks 20mg, then testbooster/estrogen suppressor from Linbergs/GNC (acts like a mini bridge). Didn't think about HCG . I know some people use HCG for PCT but homework says thats a no no.

This was a cookie cutter cycle i found. Again this is cycle #2 and this setup would be a little bit of a leap. If i can't perfect then I will only run deca/test/dbol . and perhaps try this for number 3.

**gonzo6183** · 04-02-2012, 01:55 AM

And I thought roid rage was a myth until I started ready all these threads about first and second cycles in the last few weeks. No cooment this is just too dumb, like 80% of what gets posted in here... sigh

**DamageDealer** · 04-02-2012, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by measuretwicecutonce

I have caber as it seems to be the better quality for the deca side. and letro for the tren . Nolva 2 weeks after last test shot 1st 2 days 60mg then 3 weeks of 40mg then 3 weeks 20mg, then testbooster/estrogen suppressor from Linbergs/GNC (acts like a mini bridge). Didn't think about HCG . I know some people use HCG for PCT but homework says thats a no no.

This was a cookie cutter cycle i found. Again this is cycle #2 and this setup would be a little bit of a leap. If i can't perfect then I will only run deca/test/dbol. and perhaps try this for number 3.

HCG is to be used on cycle, not in PCT. also, why are you running the cycle for so long? as i said, you should leave out tren, it's too early for you to try it. and add clomid to that nolva for PCT.

**songdog** · 04-02-2012, 02:04 AM

Bro you really need to do some research.You are so far off it isnt funny.Read beginners cycles that will be a good starting point.More isnt better for a beginner you grow in steps.

**lovbyts** · 04-02-2012, 02:15 AM

2nd cycle MAYBE deca , no way tren , NO WAY both. Most experienced users dont like to use Deca & Tren in the same cycle. Do you have good medical insurance for the gyno removal later on?

Why would you need 1000mg of test a week unless you have garbage that is WAY under dosed. No need to go over 600 especially for a 2nd cycle, 400 - 500 is better especially if you are going to be running a 2nd compound like deca.

Yeah I know there is a lot of BAD information out there from people who have no clue and who dont care what it can/will do to YOU and wont admit what it has done to them in a negative way.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 04-04-2012, 08:44 PM

Ya i pretty much new i wasn't gonna run this cycle, as i said it was a cookie cutter n i was just playing with the idea of it.

And i thought Nolva and Clomid were both SERMS and were interchangeable? with nova having the upper hand no?

So basically

1-14 test e/c 600
1-12 deca 400? or 300? I should be running test at least 200 over right? or would it be more optimal to have double test to deca ratio? but do i need at least 400 deca for it to kick? this is where i get confused..
1-4 dbol 50mg
14-16 nothing
16-18 40mg nolva
18-20 20mg nolva
with caber and armidex on hand.

ya i have good insurance, one of the best, and my doc knows about my previous cycle.

**measuretwicecutonce** · 04-04-2012, 08:52 PM

Appreciate the reply lot,

As for Damage i never said I was gonna run HCG on PCT and whether HCG is better on or after cycle is debatable (i think? its better on.. but I'm not that far in the game yet)
Anthony Roberts ran it in PCT, but people's opinions change and theres more than one way to skin a cat. its funny cuz if you ask people how do something not only will you get different answers and opinions but then sometimes crap for even asking

Im merely here for learning purposes and just too clarify I'm taking information from many sources and concluding my own opinions. This is part of my homework and research..