Hey Everyone =) First timer here, looking for advice with what I have............

**marcelmarechal** · 04-05-2012, 11:18 AM

Hey Guys,

Sooo.......

I have a bottle of winsterol pills........... and 3 vials of TNT............. I also have a bottle of Tamoxifen as well.

What is the best way to run this and am I missing anything vital? Can someone please help me out with how I should run this so I get the best results!!

Thank You SOOOO much !

**DanB** · 04-05-2012, 11:24 AM

what are your stats?

tren is bad idea for first cycle and test/tren blends arent ideal either because your stuck at the dose/ratio it comes in

tamox isnt ideal to use on cycle and isnt ideal to use alone for pct, and depending on how many in the bottle and how they dosed, chances are you wont even have enough to do anything with

back to the drawing board mate lol

**marcelmarechal** · 04-05-2012, 11:29 AM

I would like to use the TNT and winsterol together right and then the tamoxifen for when i'm coming off........

**DanB** · 04-05-2012, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by marcelmarechal

I would like to use the TNT and winsterol together right and then the tamoxifen for when i'm coming off........

I just told you it isnt a good idea, I asked you for stats and you didnt give them which leads me to believe you have something to hide, run it if you want but I'm not going to help you do something which will prob fvck you up due to your inexperience and clear lack of knowledge about AAS

Best of luck

**songdog** · 04-05-2012, 11:34 AM

So why did you ask for advice then? The man just said it isnt good but you want to run it anyway.So why did you bother to ask?

**dumb_aas** · 04-05-2012, 11:36 AM

What DanB is saying (and he's absolutely right) is this is not a good first cycle. You need to reconsider everything about it. You can see significant changes w/ test only for your first go for cutting, so long as your diet is in order. As for PCT tamox only isn't enough imo. Running clomid and tamox together for PCT is a better

**kj18304** · 04-05-2012, 11:36 AM

I agree with danb. I have many cycles under my belt and this is the first time I ever ran tren e and I have to say it has some of the worst sides I have ever experienced. But if it wasn't for my bodybuilding experience and knowledge of how to combat those sides I would have been in a lot of trouble. Tren is not for the first time user. Ever. And running tren with wini, you are just asking for serious trouble. No sex drive, night sweats, insomnia, impotence, sore joints like you wouldn't believe. Those are just anew that can come on. There are ways to combat this but I would listen to us and run something else for your first time. Test e and eq is a good start. Plus without your stats anything we say is kinda useless.

**marcelmarechal** · 04-05-2012, 07:35 PM

Ok so what do you mean by stats guys? And i'm sorry, this is actually my second cycle, not my first time but I basically am a beginner. I have been given a bottle of winsterol pills, 3 bottles of tnt and a bottle of tamoxifen .

Can I do anything with this stuff..........

**marcelmarechal** · 04-06-2012, 04:25 PM

Can anyone suggest anything for me

**DanB** · 04-06-2012, 04:31 PM

No mate I'm sorry it isnt a good idea, you dont have sufficient ancillaries, knowledge or experience to use these compounds

Try researching a test only cycle, much more suited for your experience

Can you give us your stats now please?

Give the gear back to your source and ask for refund or swap for test

**evander87** · 04-06-2012, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by marcelmarechal

Can anyone suggest anything for me

Yes.

Do a LOT more reading of the stickies and educational threads.

**gonzo6183** · 04-06-2012, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by marcelmarechal

Ok so what do you mean by stats guys? And i'm sorry, this is actually my second cycle, not my first time but I basically am a beginner. I have been given a bottle of winsterol pills, 3 bottles of tnt and a bottle of tamoxifen .

Can I do anything with this stuff..........

The best thing you can do is give it to someone else, with experience. Definitly do NOT use it.

As for Stats, you need to post:
Age
Height
Weight
bodyfat
training experience
previous cycles
and you diet would be useful too

Gonzo

**bigswoll** · 04-06-2012, 08:35 PM

I have to agree with dan b horrible idea for first run do more research

**mg2336** · 04-06-2012, 08:58 PM

Deca is better with Winny tabs but you would probably want to pick up some test and make sure you run a PCT but I think you wanted to stick with what you had and not spend any money... sorry bro your gonna need to start with something other than tren . tren is for advanced users not beginners

**marcelmarechal** · 04-06-2012, 09:26 PM

GONZO--->

Age 30
Height 6ft4
Weight 268lbs
bodyfat over weight by 25lbs
training experience have played 13 years ice hockey and been lifting weights on and off for last 5 years
previous cycles : I have done the TNT cycle last year, I had decent gains but all the side effects did suck. I know what to expect and how to deal with things better now. I only took tamoxifen when I was coming off and I did not have clomid soooo I lost alotta gains and had issues with weight gain, body hair and acne afterwards.

Diet: My diet now is great, i've lost 11 pounds i'm drinking VISALUS twice a day, having healthy snacks and having a nice sensible dinner. I have all kinds of extra proteins, vitamins, minerals and supplements.

**DeadlyD** · 04-06-2012, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by marcelmarechal

GONZO--->

Age 30
Height 6ft4
Weight 268lbs
bodyfat over weight by 25lbs
training experience have played 13 years ice hockey and been lifting weights on and off for last 5 years
previous cycles : I have done the TNT cycle last year, I had decent gains but all the side effects did suck. I know what to expect and how to deal with things better now. I only took tamoxifen when I was coming off and I did not have clomid soooo I lost alotta gains and had issues with weight gain, body hair and acne afterwards.

Diet: My diet now is great, i've lost 11 pounds i'm drinking VISALUS twice a day, having healthy snacks and having a nice sensible dinner. I have all kinds of extra proteins, vitamins, minerals and supplements.

In my opinion, you will need to drop body fat down to around 15% get some diet advise from the nutrition section, after your fat and diet is PERFECT ! Then try a test only cycle, with a AI for on cycle and clomid and noladex for PCT, sorry bro, you have a lot more reading and natural training to do, before you can run a proper successful cycle and keep the gains, listen to these guys here there is sooooo much great information on this site!!. Good luck