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    spainer1 is offline New Member
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    Im 26, 6 feet and 185 pounds, with a bf % of 7 .... My wife is a nutritionist and have been eating clean for the past year at 4000 cals a day 40% carbs 30% fat 30 % protein ... i have been training hard for 5 years and have seen great results in strength and want to take it to the next level ... i have researched steroid use for a few years and think im ready for my first cycle

    Weeks 1-5 Dbol 40mg
    weeks 1- 14 test e at 250 ml on monday and thursday
    Weeks 3-14 Hcg at 500 iu every week
    weeks 17 - 20 Clomid 100/40/40 Nova 40/20/20

    Adex on hand if needed

    My question is what cant i expect to gain and expect to keep with a great diet and hard training ... any help with anything is great i know you guys have so much knowledge

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    minitourwvu is offline Associate Member
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    Quote Originally Posted by spainer1
    Im 26, 6 feet and 185 pounds, with a bf % of 7 .... My wife is a nutritionist and have been eating clean for the past year at 4000 cals a day 40% carbs 30% fat 30 % protein ... i have been training hard for 5 years and have seen great results in strength and want to take it to the next level ... i have researched steroid use for a few years and think im ready for my first cycle

    Weeks 1-5 Dbol 40mg
    weeks 1- 14 test e at 250 ml on monday and thursday
    Weeks 3-14 Hcg at 500 iu every week
    weeks 17 - 20 Clomid 100/40/40 Nova 40/20/20

    Adex on hand if needed

    My question is what cant i expect to gain and expect to keep with a great diet and hard training ... any help with anything is great i know you guys have so much knowledge
    Hard to say man, its all about how hard you hit the gym while avoiding injury and eating the right amounts of food at the right times ....my first cycle i put on 22lbs and lost 8 after pct and that was just test e for 11 weeks after the 10th week i saw no gains so i stopped at 11 weeks so i could give enough time to get back to normal and rest before cycle 2. I would say you dont need 14 weeks i think it actually might be a waste imo.

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    spainer1 is offline New Member
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    thanks man! ... so maybe drop from 14 weeks

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    Run Test E for 12 weeks at the proposed dose.

    PCT starts 14 days after your last pinning of Test E.

    As for PCT, run Nolvadex at 40mg ED and Clomid 100mg ED for the first 2 weeks, 20mg Nolvadex and 50mg Clomid for the last 2 weeks, a total of 4 weeks.

    Arimidex 0.25 EOD or even E3D should be sufficent.

    HCG 250iu E3D should prevent testicular atrophy to an extent.

    As for your gain and strength expectations, it will boil down to;

    1. Training
    2. Diet
    3. Genetics

    Good luck with your cycle.

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    Windex is offline Staff ~ HRT Optimization Specialist
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    Post what you eat in a typical day. If you're not gaining on 4000 calories then your doing something wrong and steroids will not help you in that aspect, it would actually be detrimental. Weight put on during a cycle with an incorrect diet will end up being fat/water/bloat and quickly vanish come PCT. Furthermore, no disrespect whatsoever to your wife, but often a diet coming from a nutritionist is ideal for a healthy lifestyle, but not necessary sufficient for someone going the bodybuilding route (specifically - food choices).

    Turkish has laid out the only cycle you should consider, but I'd strongly encourage you to getting to atleast 200 pounds and getting your diet checked on this board before starting. It will save you alot of time and money in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spainer1 View Post
    My wife is a nutritionist and have been eating clean for the past year at 4000 cals a day
    4000 calories a day? And you are only 185? You must have an amazing metabolism. If that is right, it is going to cost you a fortune in food to get big. Heh.

    Turkish gave great advice above.

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