energy suggestions?

**jokr** · 06-05-2012, 12:19 PM

idk if this is in the right page butttttt......

im on sust tren and anadrol and im starting to get hit with crazy fatigue, im not sure if its the drugs or the lack of sleep from the tren. im looking for either something natural to help me sleep and recharge (over the counter sleep meds destroy me and leave me in a semi coma for 3 days so i dont want those) or just a natural energy booster i can take daily outside of killing myself with worthless energy drinks... any suggestions?

**austinite** · 06-05-2012, 12:26 PM

Yes. Stop your cycle and start PCT.

**DanB** · 06-05-2012, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yes. Stop your cycle and start PCT.

That's a bit extreme

OP are you using an a.I

There is nothing half decent otc but look into ephedrine its a stimulant with little to no side effects when used responsibly

**austinite** · 06-05-2012, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

That's a bit extreme

OP are you using an a.I

There is nothing half decent otc but look into ephedrine its a stimulant with little to no side effects when used responsibly

Disagree. He is too young to cycle anyway.

**DanB** · 06-05-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Disagree. He is too young to cycle anyway.

That's your opinion but it isn't going to help him as I highly doubt he will run pct so your ''advise'' does him nothing at all

**austinite** · 06-05-2012, 01:11 PM

Sure it will. He doesn't know how to cycle and it's affecting him. I think you're doing him a disservice by recommending he continue on cycle.

Best of luck, jokr, either way.

Still have a lot of respect for you, DanB.

**Bonaparte** · 06-05-2012, 01:32 PM

You're running Tren and Anadrol . What did you expect?

**stpete** · 06-05-2012, 01:35 PM

We could all agree that he's a bit young to be using but op gave no indication that stopping was an option. In that case trying to help him along the way (imo) is the option.

OP-OTC sleep aids are good only if you have 8 hours to devote to sleep. So, if not, then don't even try them as this is why they wear you out. You could however try melatonin as it's never weirded me out if i only managed to get 4-5 hours of sleep. And i agree w/dan on the ephedrine. I don't use it that often but when i do it works really well.

**jasc** · 06-05-2012, 01:50 PM

Are you taking anything for estrogen control?

*edit* just noticed dan already asked this..

**songdog** · 06-05-2012, 04:53 PM

Tren and Drol you might try praying.Tren by it self is a MOFO.

**The Bear 79** · 06-05-2012, 05:05 PM

If you are too young, I say you stop now & run PCT. And to help with your energy recovery, try DHEA & GW 501516.

**DeadlyD** · 06-05-2012, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Why the fvck are you not using any Test.?! Where the fvck did you learn that Anadrol & Tren. alone were a good cycle?!? If you had done any research, you would know exactly what your problem is. Weather you're old enough to cycle or not, I say you stop just because you have no idea what you're doing & you're gonna fvck yourself up.

I think he's running sust too Bear.

**The Bear 79** · 06-05-2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by DeadlyD

I think he's running sust too Bear.

Indeed he is, I missed that. Post edited. Thanx D.

**Times Roman** · 06-05-2012, 05:21 PM

one of the major sides of drol is lethargy or lack of energy, always feeling tired. i suspect it is the drol that is making you feel a lack of energy. if this is the case, there isn't much you can reasonably take that will negate that side. skip the worthless energy drinks, as you will be depressing and stimulating your system all at the same time which in my opinion, not a good thing. since you are only supposed to run drol for 4, maybe 6 weeks max, this should pass soon enough when you stop the drol.

**Bonaparte** · 06-05-2012, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

one of the major sides of drol is lethargy or lack of energy, always feeling tired. i suspect it is the drol that is making you feel a lack of energy. if this is the case, there isn't much you can reasonably take that will negate that side. skip the worthless energy drinks, as you will be depressing and stimulating your system all at the same time which in my opinion, not a good thing. since you are only supposed to run drol for 4, maybe 6 weeks max, this should pass soon enough when you stop the drol.

What CNS depressant?
The concern I would have is mainly blood pressure, as the 3 steroids he's taking each increase it quite a bit. Add a bunch of stimulants in there and a lack of sleep and that's a recipe for a trip to the ER for nausea, migraine, and who knows what other symptoms.

**ironbeck** · 06-05-2012, 05:26 PM

melatonin and tiger claw(tincture)in milk, I find If I crank the ac down at night it helps me sleep better, if u don't have a significant other than masturbation helps alot. If you r not taking any kind of AI you could be experiencing high estrogen. That cycle is serious shit bro.

**Times Roman** · 06-05-2012, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

What CNS depressant?
The concern I would have is mainly blood pressure, as the 3 steroids he's taking each increase it quite a bit. Add a bunch of stimulants in there and a lack of sleep and that's a recipe for a trip to the ER for nausea, migraine, and who knows what other symptoms.

referring to anything that depresses your system to the point where you really just want to sleep all day like drol does to me

**Bonaparte** · 06-05-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

referring to anything that depresses your system to the point where you really just want to sleep all day like drol does to me

Fair enough. I would just draw a distinction between lethargy and CNS depression, as they have nothing in common and should not be confused. (I'm a health-science nerd

**jokr** · 06-08-2012, 04:53 AM

damn i dont check for a day and u guys light up with help. much appreciated. im aware im too young but i already started when i was 19, 24 now, i have 2 weeks of drol left and maybe itl pass when thats gone, im taking arimadex every few days as needed and hcg 250iu twice weekly. i know im far too ignorant to stop this cycle 30 pounds of gain deep so im definately gunna look into melatonin. i really hope its not depression and im just not realizing it cuz ive cycled before and nothing came close to the head trip this bs is putting me on, sad, mad, happy, raged out over stupid nonsense that shouldnt get me mad. i just NEEEEEEEEEEEEED to start sleeping or im gunna fall apart lol. my friend suggested just smoking bud til i pass out but i try to steer clear of anything illegal other than my lovely lil vials. 453 am, passed out at 130 and wide awake. lkadjfhlkdsajfhlajfhslkjhjfha - angry rant

**jokr** · 06-08-2012, 05:08 AM

and i didnt think it was super serious based on dosage.. i understand the types im using are hardcore but...
4 week drol @ 50mg ed
12 weeks sust 250 @ 2/3 ml eod
11 weeks tren ace 100 @ .75 ml (raised to 1ml mid cycle) eod
arimadex as ai. half pill every 2-3 days on average
hcg 250 iu every 4 days
nolvadex and clomid on hand for pct

kinda weird tho and i dont think itl matter... but my 2 bottles of sust on ingredients my 1st bottle said the blend but the 2nd said test e 250mg in the ingredients but said sust 250 on the label... and my "guy" serves to me and all my friends that do it and has never come through with fake stuff hes just shady

**Super-Chump** · 06-08-2012, 05:14 AM

When I'm stressed like a mofo ill do two things to help me sleep. One or the either is good, but both is best

1. Do some cardio about an hour or so before bed. It doesn't have to be intense; I usually just go for a moderately paced walk (6km/h); and/or
2. Glass of warm milk + 1 or 2 valerian about 30 minutes before bed. Warm milk alone makes me pretty drowzy but the valerian also helps. Valerian is a natural OTC herb which isnt really harsh enough to make you drowzy the next morning, well that's my experience using it anyway.

As i've never used tren or drol I'm not sure if it will be strong enough to help you, but its worth giving a shot.

Best of luck

**Super-Chump** · 06-08-2012, 05:16 AM

Yeah also maybe your A.I dosage is a bit high. Maybe try 0.25mg EOD or E3D

**jokr** · 06-08-2012, 05:20 AM

ya i was doin that til the drol. upped it for the 4 weeks. and i saw valerian at cvs earlier. @ superchump thats what im gunna try first. if it doesnt work ephedrine and luck that my heart doesnt stop

**Bonaparte** · 06-08-2012, 08:29 PM

Melatonin works WAY better than Valerian root.

**t-dogg** · 06-08-2012, 11:06 PM

What are DHEA & GW 501516?

**kif** · 06-09-2012, 12:10 AM

Melatonin works great for me

**The Bear 79** · 06-09-2012, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

What are DHEA & GW 501516?

The short version is, DHEA is a hormone the body produces naturally & is very similar to testosterone in its effects, clinical studies have shown this hormone to play a large role in healthy sleeping patterns, youthful energy levels & reinforcing the immune system. When your HPTA us shut down, this hormone along with many others, is no longer produced, you can supplement hormone with a pill that can be found at just about any vitamin shop & even Wal-Mart. GW 501516 is a fairly new research chemical that is better defined by the info available on line, I'm still researching it myself & don't know enough about it to confidently describe / define it in my own words yet. I will say this though, I've been using it for almost a month now, & I feel like a million fvcking dollars!!!!!!!! This stuff provides a stamina & endurance level that I have never seen, even in 10 years of U.S. Military special operations I never felt so well conditioned. A lot of peptide suppliers are starting to carry this product now. I advise anyone that wants to try to act now, the more popular it gets, the more expensive it gets.

**jokr** · 06-09-2012, 09:07 AM

bear for prez... i used to rock dhea on my last cycle only it was my friends so i never picked it up on my own, im a big fan. where would i get melatonin? walgreens? and id never be against picking up that dhea. if it helps me with sleep along with the gym motivation it gives me il b so happy...

**t-dogg** · 06-09-2012, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

The short version is, DHEA is a hormone the body produces naturally & is very similar to testosterone in its effects, clinical studies have shown this hormone to play a large role in healthy sleeping patterns, youthful energy levels & reinforcing the immune system. When your HPTA us shut down, this hormone along with many others, is no longer produced, you can supplement hormone with a pill that can be found at just about any vitamin shop & even Wal-Mart. GW 501516 is a fairly new research chemical that is better defined by the info available on line, I'm still researching it myself & don't know enough about it to confidently describe / define it in my own words yet. I will say this though, I've been using it for almost a month now, & I feel like a million fvcking dollars!!!!!!!! This stuff provides a stamina & endurance level that I have never seen, even in 10 years of U.S. Military special operations I never felt so well conditioned. A lot of peptide suppliers are starting to carry this product now. I advise anyone that wants to try to act now, the more popular it gets, the more expensive it gets.

Awesome information. What ate the doses on each of thes?

**t-dogg** · 06-09-2012, 11:20 AM

Nevermind its 5mgs a day. Thats some interesting stuff. Reading up on it now.

**The Bear 79** · 06-09-2012, 01:29 PM

The recommended dose of DHEA is 50 mg/ed but I see better results at 100 - 150 mg/ed. And the most common dose of GW501516 is 5 mg/ed, but I'm using 20 mg/ed.