Is this trainer an idiot?

**kerouc** · 06-27-2012, 01:59 PM

I Spoke with a friend who deals in testosterone about how to start a test cycle and he said that his trainer suggested I should do two week cycles... I thought test didn't start working (seeing results) until after three weeks of taking it. Is this trainer stupid or are there different ways of cycling test? I asked him what his trainers whole thought process for a two week cycle was, he didn't seem to know. So I didn't peruse an answer any further but now I have become curious.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-27-2012, 02:02 PM

Trainer is stupid. Read some stickies and quiz his ass at the gym in front of his "customers"

**DanB** · 06-27-2012, 02:05 PM

He sounds like he been reading another forum, while they may or may not have their place, thats debatable, I wouldnt advise them for a newbie due to massive doses and mutliple compounds involved, and personally I wouldnt bother with that protocol at all

But if he is advising it but dosnt know why he is advising it then yeah he is as thick as two scaffolding planks

**ScotchGuard02** · 06-27-2012, 02:12 PM

I have heard of guys shooting Test suspension for a quick pick me up before lifting. Test suspended in BW works really fast but I don't think this is a good idea. I don't like the idea of spiking Test just to get a good workout. It seems too "heavy" a load on the endo. Yeah, two week cycles seem a little weird. I've read where the vets are telling guys who's been on a fairly short cycle (less than 4 weeks) to do a complete PCT. I can't see a two week cycle being stable enough to encourage a lot of muscle growth. It can definitely mess up your Test level.

**jpowell** · 06-27-2012, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by ScotchGuard02

I have heard of guys shooting Test suspension for a quick pick me up before lifting. Test suspended in BW works really fast but I don't think this is a good idea. I don't like the idea of spiking Test just to get a good workout. It seems too "heavy" a load on the endo. Yeah, two week cycles seem a little weird. I've read where the vets are telling guys who's been on a fairly short cycle (less than 4 weeks) to do a complete PCT. I can't see a two week cycle being stable enough to encourage a lot of muscle growth. It can definitely mess up your Test level.

is this the purpose of test p? quick fast immediate results? maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

**ghettoboyd** · 06-27-2012, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by jpowell

is this the purpose of test p? quick fast immediate results? maybe I'm misunderstanding something.

no bro he said test suspention...it has no ester to slow down the absorbsion rate like prop so it works right away...

**jpowell** · 06-27-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

no bro he said test suspention...it has no ester to slow down the absorbsion rate like prop so it works right away...

So evn tho test p is quick, sus is quicker?
Ok. I thght thas y ppl use prop evryday as well.

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**ghettoboyd** · 06-27-2012, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by jpowell

So evn tho test p is quick, sus is quicker?
Ok. I thght thas y ppl use prop evryday as well.

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yes test suspention is water based and is injected multiple times a day because of its short half life...prop can be injected ed or eod because it has a longer half life because of the prop ester...

**jpowell** · 06-27-2012, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

yes test suspention is water based and is injected multiple times a day because of its short half life...prop can be injected ed or eod because it has a longer half life because of the prop ester...

Ok thanks crystal clear now!

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**Capebuffalo** · 06-27-2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by ghettoboyd

yes test suspention is water based and is injected multiple times a day because of its short half life...prop can be injected ed or eod because it has a longer half life because of the prop ester...

Actually you can get an oil based suspension tne. It's smooth as a babys butt

**ghettoboyd** · 06-27-2012, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Actually you can get an oil based suspension tne. It's smooth as a babys butt

yes im aware of this but i was assuming it was actual old school water based test suspention sence he didnt say test no ester but yea you are correct...

**ScotchGuard02** · 06-27-2012, 07:04 PM

I think the only reason my friends did the Test suspension in BW instead of oil is because it so much more work to filter the oil through the .22um filter.

**swm1972** · 06-27-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Actually you can get an oil based suspension tne. It's smooth as a babys butt

I home brew a water based suspension that flows thru a 30 gauge pin that is smoother then any oil based suspension. Oil based is inaccurate. Oil based suspensions are more of a solvent based suspension. If you knew the quantities of solvents in these products you might be less inclined to use them.

**Bonaparte** · 06-27-2012, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

I home brew a water based suspension that flows thru a 30 gauge pin that is smoother then any oil based suspension. Oil based is inaccurate. Oil based suspensions are more of a solvent based suspension. If you knew the quantities of solvents in these products you might be less inclined to use them.

What do you mean?

**swm1972** · 06-28-2012, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

What do you mean?

Every recipe I've seen for oil based suspension has such large quantities of solvents such as guicol (spelling) and other chemicals (ba,bb, eo, etc) that there is an exceptionally large amount of solvent and lower then usual amounts of carrier oils like gso, cso, etc.

I'm not an expert on these types of products but the chemical odors given off by the solvents used in these products truly make me question wanting to inject them. I have a poplar UG oil based suspension in a safe at home. Sealed vials. In boxes they came in shrink wrapped. Three little 15ml vials has my entire closet reeking when I open that safe. I can't say I've ever seen any other compound do that.

I've brewed test enth/cyp. Deca . Tren enth and ace. (ace from powder and pellets). Made water based winny and test suspension. Capped my own dbol , winny, abombs, Anavar . And never have I experienced such an obnoxious odor.

**Bonaparte** · 06-28-2012, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Every recipe I've seen for oil based suspension has such large quantities of solvents such as guicol (spelling) and other chemicals (ba,bb, eo, etc) that there is an exceptionally large amount of solvent and lower then usual amounts of carrier oils like gso, cso, etc.

I'm not an expert on these types of products but the chemical odors given off by the solvents used in these products truly make me question wanting to inject them. I have a poplar UG oil based suspension in a safe at home. Sealed vials. In boxes they came in shrink wrapped. Three little 15ml vials has my entire closet reeking when I open that safe. I can't say I've ever seen any other compound do that.

I've brewed test enth/cyp. Deca. Tren enth and ace. (ace from powder and pellets). Made water based winny and test suspension. Capped my own dbol, winny, abombs, Anavar. And never have I experienced such an obnoxious odor.

Well yes, G has a strong odor. What does that have to do with inaccuracy?

**swm1972** · 06-28-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Well yes, G has a strong odor. What does that have to do with inaccuracy?

Just seems to me if you are going to call something oil based the majority of the carrier should actually be an oil. I've seen recipes where over 50% of the 'oil' was a combo of EO,G,BA or Bb. If over 50% is a solvent isn't it more accurate to call it a solvent based compound? If you brewed gear with over 50% alcohol (I know, just for the sake of argument) mixed with some oil would you consider it to be oil based or alcohol based?

**gixxerboy1** · 06-28-2012, 10:41 AM

i thought you meant by inaccuracy by the dosing of it,

**Bonaparte** · 06-28-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Just seems to me if you are going to call something oil based the majority of the carrier should actually be an oil. I've seen recipes where over 50% of the 'oil' was a combo of EO,G,BA or Bb. If over 50% is a solvent isn't it more accurate to call it a solvent based compound? If you brewed gear with over 50% alcohol (I know, just for the sake of argument) mixed with some oil would you consider it to be oil based or alcohol based?

EO counts as a carrier, just like vegetable oils. So if you want to call it EO based, fine. But it really makes no difference.

**dren** · 06-28-2012, 11:05 AM

So has anyone got experience with test suspension ? What's the smallest guage of needle can I use and length. Asking this because if poking every day I would want to do it all over the body rather than just the butt.
And how painfull is the shot?

And compared to prop?

I won't be using susp. Anymore as I don't wanna be bigger but just in case I change my mind

**Ashop** · 06-28-2012, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by kerouc

I Spoke with a friend who deals in testosterone about how to start a test cycle and he said that his trainer suggested I should do two week cycles... I thought test didn't start working (seeing results) until after three weeks of taking it. Is this trainer stupid or are there different ways of cycling test? I asked him what his trainers whole thought process for a two week cycle was, he didn't seem to know. So I didn't peruse an answer any further but now I have become curious.

Careful of what you hear in the gym. Especially from so called trainers. You can here all the knowledge you need right here.

**swm1972** · 06-28-2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i thought you meant by inaccuracy by the dosing of it,

I apologize for not being more clear.

**swm1972** · 06-28-2012, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

EO counts as a carrier, just like vegetable oils. So if you want to call it EO based, fine. But it really makes no difference.

When Watson starts using EO as a carrier I'll be less inclined to be concerned by all these random compounds people use and inject. I've heard there are a few non FDA approved human grade test prop products on the market, but I've never seen then myself.

Do you have no concern about injecting EO? How about guicol ? I've run primo that was EO based and was rotating shot sites on a 9-10 day schedule. I aspirated once and pulled out a oily slime that made me have second thoughts about some of these components.

Today I stick strictly to gso, BA, BB, and PS80 with my water based products. If I can't get it to hold with these at reasonable levels (2% BA, 20% BB max) I'll dilute it.

**Capebuffalo** · 06-28-2012, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

When Watson starts using EO as a carrier I'll be less inclined to be concerned by all these random compounds people use and inject. I've heard there are a few non FDA approved human grade test prop products on the market, but I've never seen then myself.

Do you have no concern about injecting EO? How about guicol ? I've run primo that was EO based and was rotating shot sites on a 9-10 day schedule. I aspirated once and pulled out a oily slime that made me have second thoughts about some
of these components.

Today I stick strictly to gso, BA, BB, and PS80 with my water based products. If I can't get it to hold with these at reasonable levels (2% BA, 20% BB max) I'll dilute it.

Stop scaring the children. No really I don't follow you 100 percent but you are making wonder. Never really thought about what it's mixed with. What is eo and guicol? Do I want to know?

**Capebuffalo** · 06-28-2012, 01:43 PM

Found Guaiacol. Not pretty stuff.

**Dpyle** · 06-28-2012, 01:58 PM

EO is ethyl oleate? If so the pharm grade cup I got for trt in 1ml vials was all eo and ba. Clear as water

**Bonaparte** · 06-28-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

When Watson starts using EO as a carrier I'll be less inclined to be concerned by all these random compounds people use and inject. I've heard there are a few non FDA approved human grade test prop products on the market, but I've never seen then myself.

Do you have no concern about injecting EO? How about guicol ? I've run primo that was EO based and was rotating shot sites on a 9-10 day schedule. I aspirated once and pulled out a oily slime that made me have second thoughts about some of these components.

Today I stick strictly to gso, BA, BB, and PS80 with my water based products. If I can't get it to hold with these at reasonable levels (2% BA, 20% BB max) I'll dilute it.

Several HG injectables made by 1st world pharm companies use a 100% EO carrier.
Ever heard of viromone?
And G is only dangerous in high amounts, as it causes CNS toxicity (which is why I only use as much as needed). In lower amounts, it is great as a solvent and analgesic. It is/was also used pharmaceutically as an expectorant.

**swm1972** · 06-28-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Several HG injectables made by 1st world pharm companies use a 100% EO carrier.
Ever heard of viromone?
And G is only dangerous in high amounts, as it causes CNS toxicity (which is why I only use as much as needed). In lower amounts, it is great as a solvent and analgesic. It is/was also used pharmaceutically as an expectorant.

Holy crap? Sane stuff as mucinex??

**Far from massive** · 06-28-2012, 05:18 PM

I think Mucinex is Guaifenesin which I think is different from Guaiacol...though I could be wrong. As far as EO although I also prefer good ole fashioned CSO, EO is fine as long as its USP/NF grade its when some moron uses a lower grade that problems arise.