First Time Cycle Question. Great Genetics.

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 06:43 AM

I'm 27, 6'6 and about 190lb right now. I have always had great genetics. I'm to the point now where I want to gain insane mass in a very short time.

So far what I think I need is...

50mg per day Danabol.
Milk Thistle.
Novedex.

Just confused on what test I need and how much.

Friend says Propionate or Ethinate and he was a personal trainer for 5 years.

Which should I use, what dosage, and where is the best place to get it?

I'm going to consume about 5,000 calories a day and eat 4-5lb of protein.

I really don't care about how much I can bench it's pretty much a self confidence thing for mass.

All help appreciated.

**songdog** · 07-24-2012, 06:53 AM

Test only 1st cycle 500mg a week.Hit the diet section post your diet with macros.They will give you max results.

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 07:06 AM

Just want to make sure I order the right Test. What exactly should I get? I'm not an expert.

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 07:08 AM

You mean skip the Danabol and take only test?

**Capebuffalo** · 07-24-2012, 07:26 AM

Yes Test Only. At 6-6 you should weigh more than 190. IMO your base isn't ready for steroids . What is you training experience. And why"I'm to the point now where I want to gain insane mass in a very short time."

**Super-Chump** · 07-24-2012, 07:32 AM

Sorry to say but at 6'6" and 190lbs you don't have great genetics my friend

How long have you been training if you dont mind me asking?

Also you can't ask for sources here as it is against the rules.

**S2King1223** · 07-24-2012, 07:34 AM

I don't see how you think 6'6 190 is great genetics, you sound like a tall string bean.

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 07:50 AM

I feel like one too but I am really cut. I look like I work out even though I haven't in years. I use to be 220 but stop working out years ago so here I am at 190. 220 was easy to get with no supplements of any kind. But all in all, the reasons or motives are irrelevant. I will do it either way, just want to know the most effective route to take. Just for the record I said great genetics because when I work out I naturally gain muscle at an unnatural rate.

**Capebuffalo** · 07-24-2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by zonfire

i feel like one too but i am really cut. I look like i work out even though i haven't in years. I use to be 220 but stop working out years ago so here i am at 190. 220 was easy to get with no supplements of any kind. But all in all, the reasons or motives are irrelevant. I will do it either way, just want to know the most effective route to take. just for the record i said great genetics because when i work out i naturally gain muscle at an unnatural rate.

then work out natural

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 07:56 AM

To impatient. Like I said I will do it either way. Test600x any good?

**frsttmer** · 07-24-2012, 08:01 AM

Test 600x would probably be a good start for you. Just don't take more the max dose. You get freaky big if u do.

Do some research

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 08:03 AM

I can't help but wonder... What if I take only HGH? How would it compare to taking only Test? The price doesn't matter to me.

**beeasy1689** · 07-24-2012, 08:15 AM

yeah im 6'2 195 low bf and im absolutely not big

**clowned** · 07-24-2012, 08:20 AM

Zonfire, I'd suggest running straight tren for 18 weeks and dont worry about PCT you've got great genetics, your body will handle it easy as. Goodluck with your cycle

**frsttmer** · 07-24-2012, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by clowned

Zonfire, I'd suggest running straight tren for 18 weeks and dont worry about PCT you've got great genetics, your body will handle it easy as. Goodluck with your cycle

Shouldn't he just do the full half yr? That way he can maintain his gains? I wish I had good genetics so I didn't have to do pct.

**Super-Chump** · 07-24-2012, 08:29 AM

Alright enough shit talking to OP...

Zonfine, honestly, if you do have great genetics like you say get back up to 220 maybe even 230 (with a reasonable bf%) then start looking into a cycle.

**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 08:35 AM

Trenbolone isn't sounding to bad. Parabolan is what I'm looking for or Trenaver? Injection or Tab better?

Let's see.

50mg Trenbolone every other day.
5lb protein a day.
5,000 calories in powder.
Milk Thistle.
Novedex 2 weeks into it.
1-2 Hours at Gym 7 days a week.

Where you think I'll be after 2 months starting at 190?

**frsttmer** · 07-24-2012, 08:36 AM

Start researching how to eat. If you get your eating right you'll be amazed at the gains u can make

**Capebuffalo** · 07-24-2012, 10:20 AM

Look this is getting out of hand. If you want to use its your choice. Test only first cycle..AI..HCG ..PCT. I honestly think with a good diet and workout plan you can put and keep 10-15 lbs. Maintain thyat then look into doing a cycle. Your choice.

**juice work** · 07-24-2012, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by clowned

Zonfire, I'd suggest running straight tren for 18 weeks and dont worry about PCT you've got great genetics, your body will handle it easy as. Goodluck with your cycle

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**Zonfire** · 07-24-2012, 05:21 PM

Shouldn't there be more attentive MODs on here or something because I see a lot of people who like to tell new comers to take things that will do more harm than good. People come here for advice from experienced people not to have cave trolls try to get them hurt or worse. Pretty sure I seen a guy tell a first timer to take 12 weeks of Anadrol right off the bat, may have been on another forum but after the guy dies from liver failure I hope the guy who posted that get tracked down for assisted suicide.

To many kids online think it's funny to tell people to take the wrong thing as if Anabolics are something to play with.

I expect there to be idiots out there to flame just about everything because everyone knows the internet makes you stronger than any steroid but this isn't really the place to misinform someone on purpose.

**gonzo6183** · 07-24-2012, 06:07 PM

The simple and best advice has been listed among the crap.

Your best beet is to get back to the 220 naturally, especially if its "easy" then start your cycle, you will be glad you did and your gains will be more permanent and have less possible downsides such as tendon damage when your muscles grow too fast for the rest of your body etc.

If you absolutely will not listen to this advice which is simply the best you will get then test enanthate ONLY for 12 weeks followed by a full PCT of nolva and clomid is your second best option.

Stay away from tren or any other compounds, these for a first cycle are not only not a good idea but not at all needed.

AND damn id like to see someone eat 4-5lb protein, I dont think thats even possible

Goodluck