so from my understanding...

**CementPizza** · 07-24-2012, 07:26 PM

oral's are pointless? i wanted to do an oral see how body reacted and not be stacking etc. but seems no one does just orals?

**austinite** · 07-24-2012, 07:30 PM

Lots of folks do oral only cycles. Mostly because they are uneducated and scared of needles. It's just not a good idea to run an oral only cycle. Every compound needs to have a test base.

**Times Roman** · 07-24-2012, 07:33 PM

Orals definately have their place. But since any oral will shut down your natural test production, don't you think that should be a deterent to an orals only cycle?

**CementPizza** · 07-24-2012, 07:37 PM

ok thanks guys just trying to get a better understanding....not really scared of needles just don;t know how i would acquire them etc. but thanks

**austinite** · 07-24-2012, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by CementPizza

ok thanks guys just trying to get a better understanding....not really scared of needles just don;t know how i would acquire them etc. but thanks

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**capetown** · 07-24-2012, 07:55 PM

My first cycle was just orals. I was young and didnt know any better. Made good gains off it but wish i had of known more about everything and i think it could have been a great cycle. Plus you are always going to get the ones that think that because they are not sticking a needle in then, they arent really doing anything that they cant justify.

**CementPizza** · 07-24-2012, 08:16 PM

ok so i got this from one of the stickys so i could just do

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

so all i would need is those 3 products and follow this for my first ride? do i not need those "herbal" supps for liver and such since injectables arent nearly as bad for liver as orals are?

**austinite** · 07-24-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by CementPizza

ok so i got this from one of the stickys so i could just do

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate WEEKLY

Nolvadex on hand in case of gyno.

Post Cycle Therapy

Clomid therapy three weeks after last sust350 shot ran as follows:

Day 1 - 300mg
Day 2-11 - 100mg/day
Day 12-21 - 50mg/day

so all i would need is those 3 products and follow this for my first ride? do i not need those "herbal" supps for liver and such since injectables arent nearly as bad for liver as orals are?

Test E is best run 12 weeks. You need an AI on cycle, like adex @.25 EOD. PCT should be nolva and clomid, clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 -- start pct 14 days after last pin.

This should only be done if your diet and training are on point, and your BF is at or less than 15%.

**gearbox** · 07-24-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Test E is best run 12 weeks. You need an AI on cycle, like adex @.25 EOD. PCT should be nolva and clomid, clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 -- start pct 14 days after last pin.

This should only be done if your diet and training are on point, and your BF is at or less than 15%.

agree with above. you can run hcg along your cycle for better recovery, but that is up to you. And you need everything austinite said above to run a proper cycle.

**CementPizza** · 07-24-2012, 08:29 PM

yeah i train pretty hard and have been for a while bf is around 10-12% hard to judge since calipers aren't that good. thanks for all the help i really appreciate it. when people say or you 100/50/50/50 is that monday-thurs

**austinite** · 07-24-2012, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by CementPizza

yeah i train pretty hard and have been for a while bf is around 10-12% hard to judge since calipers aren't that good. thanks for all the help i really appreciate it. when people say or you 100/50/50/50 is that monday-thurs

Each number is representative of the daily dose for that week. week1/week2/week3/week4