Steroids similar to anavar

[Steroyden]

Hey i've just finished my first cycle of var at 40 mg per day and absolutley love the lean muscle gains and the amazing strength from it! I was wondering if anyone knows of any other steroids similar to var other then winstrol as i am a power athlete and i do not want any negative side effests on my joints?

[grind4it]

I hope your running testostorne? What are your goals?

[Bonaparte]

Turinabol would be the next closest thing.

[austinite]

Not a very smart cycle at 19 years old. You should stop cycling and fix your diet. See the nutrition forum for advice.

[MuscleInk]

Not a very smart cycle at 19 years old. You should stop cycling and fix your diet. See the nutrition forum for advice.

Sound advice. Hopefully he listens.

1. Diet
2. Train
3. Supplement

[Steroyden]

I think i am quite disciplined with my diet i eat around 2500 calories when dieting and 3500 when bulking I am 180 lbs 7% bodyfat (Bench 300, Deadlift 525 and squat 455) and train very hard. The reality is that i am a competitive and train so frequently that it is very difficult to recover between sessions. Anavar has helped me do that and I feel that the benefits of steroids even at my age outweigh the detriments. With that said however i liked anavar because it is not a testosterone based steroid in it requires very little PCT. I am quite young so i do not like to use steroids that have a strong effect on my bodies natural testosterone levels . Austinite why would you advise so strongly against anavar use at a younger age? There is very little information about this so I would really appreciate all of your feedback .

[sharmabrah]

I think i am quite disciplined with my diet i eat around 2500 calories when dieting and 3500 when bulking I am 180 lbs 7% bodyfat (Bench 300, Deadlift 525 and squat 455) and train very hard. The reality is that i am a competitive and train so frequently that it is very difficult to recover between sessions. Anavar has helped me do that and I feel that the benefits of steroids even at my age outweigh the detriments. With that said however i liked anavar because it is not a testosterone based steroid in it requires very little PCT. I am quite young so i do not like to use steroids that have a strong effect on my bodies natural testosterone levels . Austinite why would you advise so strongly against anavar use at a younger age? There is very little information about this so I would really appreciate all of your feedback .

I reckon you should keep smashing the Anavar mate.

[gixxerboy1]

I reckon you should keep smashing the Anavar mate.

Why do you reckon that?

[sharmabrah]

Why do you reckon that?

If one does not want to inject and/or ever do hardcore AAS (Tren , Testosterone etc) then Anavar is very good. I'm actually thinking of doing an eight week cycle of Anavar and Dianabol - Dianabol for the first three weeks (at a low dose, probably 20MG or 30MG a day), then for the next five weeks have some anavar (first two weeks at 30MG a day, then the next three weeks at either 50MG or 60MG). Supplemented with Liv52 or TUDCA/UDCA, Nolvadex and an AI on hand. Anavar should, theoretically, help to maintain the weight created by the Dianabol, yes? As well as packing on some LBM and giving you a harder look as opposed to a soft bloated look.

[Steroyden]

Yeah i really enjoyed anavar and loved the efffects from it. It has been perfect i just want another steroid that will have similar effects to anavar (slight fat burning effect increased strength and recovery time). I don't want to just throw on 10 lbs of muscle in eight weeks. Do you think that running turanibol at a very low dose would give me a similar effect to var?

[grind4it]

Yea, that sounds good...wait till your pp stops working. Contrary to what people think; Anavar will shut you down.

I think i am quite disciplined with my diet i eat around 2500 calories when dieting and 3500 when bulking I am 180 lbs 7% bodyfat (Bench 300, Deadlift 525 and squat 455) and train very hard. The reality is that i am a competitive and train so frequently that it is very difficult to recover between sessions. Anavar has helped me do that and I feel that the benefits of steroids even at my age outweigh the detriments. With that said however i liked anavar because it is not a testosterone based steroid in it requires very little PCT. I am quite young so i do not like to use steroids that have a strong effect on my bodies natural testosterone levels . Austinite why would you advise so strongly against anavar use at a younger age? There is very little information about this so I would really appreciate all of your feedback .

[Bonaparte]

Contrary to what people think; Anavar will shut you down.

It will suppress you to some extent (maybe 30-60% realistically), but it should never cause complete shutdown (i.e. 0 test).
It lacks the estrogenic (or progestigenic) activity needed for this at the pituitary.

[gearbox]

If one does not want to inject and/or ever do hardcore AAS (Tren, Testosterone etc) then Anavar is very good. I'm actually thinking of doing an eight week cycle of Anavar and Dianabol - Dianabol for the first three weeks (at a low dose, probably 20MG or 30MG a day), then for the next five weeks have some anavar (first two weeks at 30MG a day, then the next three weeks at either 50MG or 60MG). Supplemented with Liv52 or TUDCA/UDCA, Nolvadex and an AI on hand. Anavar should, theoretically, help to maintain the weight created by the Dianabol, yes? As well as packing on some LBM and giving you a harder look as opposed to a soft bloated look.

terrible idea and cycle
you will need a planned pct also.

[gearbox]

It will suppress you to some extent (maybe 30-60% realistically), but it should never cause complete shutdown (i.e. 0 test).
It lacks the estrogenic (or progestigenic) activity needed for this at the pituitary.

thanks Bonaparte, I have been searching for a % on var for awhile. And of course you already knew...

[finallymotivated]

sometimes less training is more

[sharmabrah]

terrible idea and cycle
you will need a planned pct also.

Nolvadex 40/20/20/20. Maybe even drop the last two weeks seeing as Anavar is less harsh. Definitely could use some Clomid due to the use of Dianabol ?

[deathdodger]

You might like turinabol if your diet and training is good it will be similar.

[Brohim]

tbol or primo

[sharmabrah]

tbol or primo

Which has the most lean muscle mass gain out of Turinabol , Winstrol , Anavar and Primo? Also which one promotes the most fat loss?

[Brohim]

Which has the most lean muscle mass gain out of Turinabol, Winstrol, Anavar and Primo? Also which one promotes the most fat loss?

Tbol will get you the most gains. Gains really dpend on how much food you eat but with everything similiar T-bol. For fat-loss is the AAS that binds to the AR receptor in the fat cell the hardest. Primo, Anavar , and Winny are all DHT dert. which bind very hard to the AR receptor, thus will promote more fatloss. Again fat-loss depends on your calorie cut but I notice with Anavar you can go real low on kals and retain your muscle mass.

[sharmabrah]

Tbol will get you the most gains. Gains really dpend on how much food you eat but with everything similiar T-bol. For fat-loss is the AAS that binds to the AR receptor in the fat cell the hardest. Primo, Anavar, and Winny are all DHT dert. which bind very hard to the AR receptor, thus will promote more fatloss. Again fat-loss depends on your calorie cut but I notice with Anavar you can go real low on kals and retain your muscle mass.

Yeah okay. Is Turinabol also not very harsh, similar to Anavar ? Is it not as harsh as Dianabol , Anadrol etc?

[MuscleInk]

I think i am quite disciplined with my diet i eat around 2500 calories when dieting and 3500 when bulking I am 180 lbs 7% bodyfat (Bench 300, Deadlift 525 and squat 455) and train very hard. The reality is that i am a competitive and train so frequently that it is very difficult to recover between sessions. Anavar has helped me do that and I feel that the benefits of steroids even at my age outweigh the detriments. With that said however i liked anavar because it is not a testosterone based steroid in it requires very little PCT. I am quite young so i do not like to use steroids that have a strong effect on my bodies natural testosterone levels . Austinite why would you advise so strongly against anavar use at a younger age? There is very little information about this so I would really appreciate all of your feedback .

Impressive stats, but I'm going to disagree on the benefits outweighing the risks. You are seeing benefits now but just because the risks haven't manifested themselves and the absence of risks today does not preclude their emergence later. At your age, the risks are real and as Bonaparte pointed out, you are indeed arresting your testosterone production.

Ultimately the decision is yours. We are not your mother, father, or conscience, however ownership of the decision must be equally yours. I'm all for a bigger, better, body but I think you're cutting yourself short cycling anything at 19.

Lastly, few people really have an understanding of diet and the commitment to nutrition in this area of sport. You may be one of the exceptions and I'm certainly not trying to pass judgement....but we do lie best to ourselves.

[deathdodger]

Which has the most lean muscle mass gain out of Turinabol, Winstrol, Anavar and Primo? Also which one promotes the most fat loss?

If your using anavar at 100mg's a day its by far the better choice.

[Ashop]

Sound advice. Hopefully he listens.

1. Diet
2. Train
3. Supplement

Honestly at the age with a high natural hormone production,,,that is all he needs...maybe add in REST and DEDICATION.

[MuscleInk]

If one does not want to inject and/or ever do hardcore AAS (Tren, Testosterone etc) then Anavar is very good. I'm actually thinking of doing an eight week cycle of Anavar and Dianabol - Dianabol for the first three weeks (at a low dose, probably 20MG or 30MG a day), then for the next five weeks have some anavar (first two weeks at 30MG a day, then the next three weeks at either 50MG or 60MG). Supplemented with Liv52 or TUDCA/UDCA, Nolvadex and an AI on hand. Anavar should, theoretically, help to maintain the weight created by the Dianabol, yes? As well as packing on some LBM and giving you a harder look as opposed to a soft bloated look.

Sharmabrah!!!!! Bro what happened!?! Only a few weeks ago you were on here saying you had no plans to cycle for a long time and you were going to invest your time, money, and energy into training and diet. Now you're condoning and admitting to cycling at young ages.

Again, this isn't a judgement call bradda. It's your life, your body, your decision but when I see and hear things like this it makes me wonder about the sincerity of some of the younger guys who say, "oh no, I won't cycle. I'm just here to learn".

I guess the vets who have been around longer than I are more familiar with this and aren't phased by these things anymore because it is far too common. My bad for being naive.

Just try not to hurt yourself and don't fool yourself thinking steroids are benign.

[MuscleInk]

Honestly at the age with a high natural hormone production,,,that is all he needs...maybe add in REST and DEDICATION.

Bro, you NAILED it!

[sharmabrah]

Sharmabrah!!!!! Bro what happened!?! Only a few weeks ago you were on here saying you had no plans to cycle for a long time and you were going to invest your time, money, and energy into training and diet. Now you're condoning and admitting to cycling at young ages.

Again, this isn't a judgement call bradda. It's your life, your body, your decision but when I see and hear things like this it makes me wonder about the sincerity of some of the younger guys who say, "oh no, I won't cycle. I'm just here to learn".

I guess the vets who have been around longer than I are more familiar with this and aren't phased by these things anymore because it is far too common. My bad for being naive.

Just try not to hurt yourself and don't fool yourself thinking steroids are benign.

Things happen in life mate that result in different circumstances than initially expected. I was sincere, still am sincere but shit sucks sometimes mate.

[Steroyden]

MuscleInk thank you for your sincere advice I really appreciate it. The reality is though that I'm not just training as a strength athlete I do a competitive varsity sport at a University level where to be honest we are forced into overtraining. My body honestly breaks down doing the training naturally even with good diet and sleep habits. When I was on Var however I made not only strength improvements but also technically improved at my sport drastically and began to enjoy my sport much more because i wasn't so worn out all the time. So for my next cycle which i most likely will do how in my shoes would you go about it differently. Would you stack a little nolvadex with var or only use it for pct. I have heard var can shut you down somewhat so i take tribulus fenugreek and longjack route to try and support my natural testosterone somewhat. Is this sufficient? What are you thoughts? I would really appreciate your advice.

[MuscleInk]

MuscleInk thank you for your sincere advice I really appreciate it. The reality is though that I'm not just training as a strength athlete I do a competitive varsity sport at a University level where to be honest we are forced into overtraining. My body honestly breaks down doing the training naturally even with good diet and sleep habits. When I was on Var however I made not only strength improvements but also technically improved at my sport drastically and began to enjoy my sport much more because i wasn't so worn out all the time. So for my next cycle which i most likely will do how in my shoes would you go about it differently. Would you stack a little nolvadex with var or only use it for pct. I have heard var can shut you down somewhat so i take tribulus fenugreek and longjack route to try and support my natural testosterone somewhat. Is this sufficient? What are you thoughts? I would really appreciate your advice.

Ya var will shut you down. How much did you run again and for what time period? I normally use nolva for PCT. You thought about hcg at all to restart natty test?

Tribulus doesn't really do much. Recent studies suggest d-aspartic acid may be better at facilitating test production but not sure how conclusive the data is on that.

[Steroyden]

I ran 40 mg a day for 50 days, but am thinking of running it at 60. What are your thoughts on this? I read the sites article on HCG and it said water retention and possible gyno where side effects. How do i avoid these. Would you run hcg at the same time as var or just for pct? Same question for nolva

[MuscleInk]

I ran 40 mg a day for 50 days, but am thinking of running it at 60. What are your thoughts on this? I read the sites article on HCG and it said water retention and possible gyno where side effects. How do i avoid these. Would you run hcg at the same time as var or just for pct? Same question for nolva

Some run var in the range of 50-150g daily, 7 days, 8-12 weeks. Sides vary but at 75mg or greater daily hepatotoxicity and GI problems become greater issues and need careful management. Hcg can be run at either point. I've seen it during, post and sometimes within the last 14 days of a cycle. Protocols vary dependent on dosing and other compounds. Nolva is more typical after. Adex or letro can help with gyno.

I've run var at 100mg daily for 16 weeks but followed very careful management of LFTs and had them checked mid cycle for peace of mind. I did suffer from a lot of uncomfortable chronic GERD however. I ran hcg post but my var was part of a larger stack.

[Skyrinegt]

Really though your 19 playing sports for fun, if your serious get dedicated make pro then worry about getting the edge up!

[magic32]

Fellas, please stop perpetuating parroted, erroneous information as if it were factual.

It will suppress you to some extent (maybe 30-60% realistically), but it should never cause complete shutdown (i.e. 0 test).
It lacks the estrogenic (or progestigenic) activity needed for this at the pituitary.

^^^Very good educated guess!

Var indeed will NOT shut you down, an undisputable fact that should be common knowledge by now. Suppression is all you should expect, making how much the only relevant question.

At least one very well designed 12-week Var study involving 262 HIV positive men and increasing dosages of 20, 40, and 80 mg discovered a 45% suppression of HPTA at 20 mg and 40 mg, with a 66% HPTA suppression in the 80 mg group. Although I don't specifically recall the study title or author, it can be readily retrieved from 'Anabolics, 10th Edition' by William Llewellyn, in the ' Oxandrolone Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression)' section.

Additionally, numerous self reports and clinical studies have conclusively determined there to be NO performance, recovery, or aesthetic benefit in the administration of Var beyond 80 mg/ed. Waste your gear/cash if you want but 80 mg is the ceiling. Lastly, please remember to observe the half-life (8-12 hours) dictated twice daily dosing for optimal bb'er benefit.

Best to you.

[junkiescumbag]

Fellas, please stop perpetuating parroted, erroneous information as if it were factual.



^^^Very good educated guess!

Var indeed will NOT shut you down, an undisputable fact that should be common knowledge by now. Suppression is all you should expect, making how much the only relevant question.

At least one very well designed 12-week Var study involving 262 HIV positive men and increasing dosages of 20, 40, and 80 mg discovered a 45% suppression of HPTA at 20 mg and 40 mg, with a 66% HPTA suppression in the 80 mg group. Although I don't specifically recall the study title or author, it can be readily retrieved from 'Anabolics, 10th Edition' by William Llewellyn, in the ' Oxandrolone Side Effects (Testosterone Suppression)' section.

Additionally, numerous self reports and clinical studies have conclusively determined there to be NO performance, recovery, or aesthetic benefit in the administration of Var beyond 80 mg/ed. Waste your gear/cash if you want but 80 mg is the ceiling. Lastly, please remember to observe the half-life (8-12 hours) dictated twice daily dosing for optimal bb'er benefit.

Best to you.

thats true if your getting 100% legit HG anavar .