New cycle + pics

[Shadowmaker]

P.S - you should comment more cause your avatar actually shows that you know stuff... you might be like 1 out of 10 guys that might be worth listening to...

[ANIMAL]

we should copy-paste this one in each thread when this kind of discussion breaks out again.

this is perfect.

take me for example... i have 16yr old steroid using friends, 35yr old steroid using friends, and i even know one 55yr old(mr.universe of 2009 masters class)... everyone started young age... i dont see ANY health problems in none of them...
so until some of the 30yr old guys will die because they were on gear at the age of 19, i find it hard to belive.

I don't believe steroids are the cause of deaths solely. It has been proven, through blood work that the use of steroids WILL have an effect on your body. Higher cholesterol and liver problems just to name 2. Someone who has heart conditions that run in their family or clogged arteries probably should put that into consideration when thinking about something that may increase their "chances" of having problems down the road. Will they have any health problems without the use of gear? WHO KNOWS. No one knows, not even doctors know what is going to happen to you down the road if you live a healthy, no drug using, obey all rules and laws type of life. That is not what mockery is stating, at least I didn't get that from his posts. He is basically saying that using gear will INCREASE your chances of something to happen down the road.

You can smoke cigarettes every day from the age of 14 to the age of 85 and be FINE! Will it increase your chances of getting lung, mouth cancer? OF COURSE. Can you get those things without smoking? OF COURSE. Will drinking 4 Monster energy drinks per day for 15 years increase your chances of having a heart condition or even diabetes? OF COURSE. Can you have a heart attack or get diabetes being a healthy person? OF COURSE.

Anyone can take a drug, but can you handle it is the real question. Are you ready and willing to accept anything that may happen if you continue? If yes, then you need to educate yourself until you can't read and listen anymore... and then educate yourself some more. Do everything by textbook and don't think for one second you are invincible, because any day, at any minute 1 thing can change and thus changing everything for ever.

P.S - you should comment more cause your avatar actually shows that you know stuff... you might be like 1 out of 10 guys that might be worth listening to...

Like I said, you need to fall on your ass with whatever in life to have a real understanding of your surroundings. Everything that I have gone through in my life has made me the person I am today. Wish I could shake some people and smack them a few times with sense, because I've been there, I went through it and thankfully came out of it. All I want to do now is educate because I spent a good 4 years educating myself to ever think about touching any gear again.

You should hop over to the member cycles section and follow my current log. You'll learn a lot.

[Shadowmaker]

without the risks there are no victories...
no one has ever became a millionare without risking all his money...
steroids can cause problems but the same problems can be caused by lots of other things and you could end up worse being natural, than the steroid using guy...

its all a game of luck imo...
also, there are lots of things that increase your chances of getting sick - all the modern food modifications and even sunlight.
so why are we scared of steroids and we are not scared of sun?

(im just tryin to get your opinion and stuff )

[Patz]

You know what your body is capable of? These "zyzz" worshippers are ridiculous. If you need that to get girls and live this life then I really do feel sorry for you. Jumping on gear for all the wrong reasons is just plain stupid. No cares in the world to your health and body just shows how young and stupid you really are.

you are total wrong, frist of I am 19 whatever you believe it or not.
Second: I want to do roids, I don't adore zyzz that much that you are expressing
And last, I'm not getting my "dream body" because I want to fool around and **** several woman. I have a girlfriend, the best one, been together for two years.
Call it the wrong reasons if you want, but in my head I have all the good reasons !

[Shadowmaker]

you are total wrong, frist of I am 19 whatever you believe it or not.
Second: I want to do roids, I don't adore zyzz that much that you are expressing
And last, I'm not getting my "dream body" because I want to fool around and **** several woman. I have a girlfriend, the best one, been together for two years.
Call it the wrong reasons if you want, but in my head I have all the good reasons !

anyway - no one has ever ****ed up his health with 1 cycle... so you should just keep your eyes open after the cycles and if you feel that something is going on, just get to the doctors and i belive that it is possible to fix everything...
i belive that we both are young and stupid, but i also see Christian Boeving talking about steroids and hes been using since he was 16, and he claims that he had no side effects or health problems except gyno which was his own fault due to wrong dosages of test.

[Patz]

anyway - no one has ever ****ed up his health with 1 cycle... so you should just keep your eyes open after the cycles and if you feel that something is going on, just get to the doctors and i belive that it is possible to fix everything...
i belive that we both are young and stupid, but i also see Christian Boeving talking about steroids and hes been using since he was 16, and he claims that he had no side effects or health problems except gyno which was his own fault due to wrong dosages of test.

Indeed, we try, we might fail, we might not, if you fail it mostly can be fixed, if not you have already learn a dusin.
I want to do this for my own sake, so I can appreciate my own body for the looks, currently I do not like my body, that's why I want to make a change of that, as quickly as possible! Not interested in any 3 year diet plan to maybe get there, I want to do cycles so I KNOW I get there!
I will soon buy Test Prop and do 500 a week for 4 weeks, when this is done, I'll publish some more pictures and tell you the changes, and also share what side affects I did not get after my PCT!

[ANIMAL]

without the risks there are no victories...
no one has ever became a millionare without risking all his money...
steroids can cause problems but the same problems can be caused by lots of other things and you could end up worse being natural, than the steroid using guy...

its all a game of luck imo...
also, there are lots of things that increase your chances of getting sick - all the modern food modifications and even sunlight.
so why are we scared of steroids and we are not scared of sun?

(im just tryin to get your opinion and stuff )

I wasn't disagreeing saying you don't have to take risks to get to the next level. That's why we are all here, to get to the next level. It's one thing to be naive and stupid like the OP has shown as opposed to understanding the risks and going into it as knowledgeable as possible.

We can not live in a bubble, those that chose to do not live life. Things will happen, whether we want them to or not. We have a certain amount of control to what occurs in our lives but the rest is up in the air.

I agree 100% that someone who has been cycling on and off can live a healthy life with zero issues and someone who has never done one bad thing in their life be hit with all the illnesses... it's all luck.

you are total wrong, frist of I am 19 whatever you believe it or not.
Second: I want to do roids, I don't adore zyzz that much that you are expressing
And last, I'm not getting my "dream body" because I want to fool around and **** several woman. I have a girlfriend, the best one, been together for two years.
Call it the wrong reasons if you want, but in my head I have all the good reasons !

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend you by 2 years of age. Your reasoning is the only one that matters, you will do what you want. Just try to take in some advice the vets are giving you.

[Shadowmaker]

Indeed, we try, we might fail, we might not, if you fail it mostly can be fixed, if not you have already learn a dusin.
I want to do this for my own sake, so I can appreciate my own body for the looks, currently I do not like my body, that's why I want to make a change of that, as quickly as possible! Not interested in any 3 year diet plan to maybe get there, I want to do cycles so I KNOW I get there!
I will soon buy Test Prop and do 500 a week for 4 weeks, when this is done, I'll publish some more pictures and tell you the changes, and also share what side affects I did not get after my PCT!

just make sure you get tons of protein and lots of good-quality carbs...
if you dont have time for chicken or beef sometimes, just drink whey - not the best thing, but on cycle its all good and better than nothing... never skip a meal.

and ill be waiting progress pics

GOOD LUCK!

[Shadowmaker]

P.S - i love the way ANIMAL is expressing his opinion... not offending people and has actual body to show for what he is saying.

[kelkel]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids ... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids .
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

Unless you can predict the future like Nostradamus, the above in bold just plain makes no sense at all. Tomorrow could be the best day of your life. You just don't know what the future holds. Patience works! But what do I know, I'm old and had to look up this Zyzz guy. But hey, I have a full head of hair! HA.

[CrazyCanuck]

I'm still trying to figure out if this guy is trolling or not.

This guy is going to hurt himself. T3 and clen are dangerous things. This guy seems to be just wanting to use whatever without fully understanding what he is doing.

[MrMayhem]

Okey. I want to point this out:
Meals regulary for weeks:
Breakfast: 3-4-5 crispbread with either mackerel in tomato sauce, or pate.
lunch: salad (salad, aggurk, corn and chicken)
dinner: chicken and rise, more crispbread or anything else with chicken. I also eat meat, but dont intake that much of potatoes, rather great amount of salad.
a few hours later I take a protein shake
for night meal I take a banana, or an apple.
*This is my meals for the week, more or less.

My experience is low, as you said. I've only done one (horrible, bad choice and really sucky cycle witch consist of Winstrol and Clenbuterol )

I have only trained for 11 months, yes. I went from 107 kiloes down to 87kiloes. I am tall, at 1,90cm. I am not skinny just because my abs shows after along workout with cardio and ab training.
I want more visible muscles, bigger chest, bigger biceps and triceps, more marcable body, then I mean back, legs and everything. I want something that can change my body overall.

Now you know more about my diet. my experience (altho its low, I don't see the point of then giving me more experience, tell me what I could take, but include ; Watch out for............ I would follow that, and really appresuate it!)
and more what I am looking for.

If this do not help at all of what you guys can tell me of what is good and bad. Then this thread was pointless.

* So far this is what I got:
My first cycle is shit.
I am too skinny (witch is not true at all)
I do not have enough to build on.
That I should do more diet.
That I should wait 5-10 years before I do anything else.

Thanks for replyes. But I really want more help, since I am going to do it anyways.
I am willing to do more research on products, I know the most side effects on each product, and I have a slight knowledge of dosage of what I should take.

Hopefully this will help me to get some more replyes to what I am looking for.

Patrick

Then lift like a monster and eat like a horse and forget the juice for now. BYE.

[t-dogg]

Im not reading what everyone wrote lol.


Dude, your 19. You have damn near zero diet, training, lifting experience and you ran a something less then a cycle. Do yourself a favor and stop and educate yourself before you do a great deal of damage to yourself.

My advice. Get a diet plan together. Get 6yrs under your belt of really training and lifting.

Then maybe consider a cycle. Good luck, hope you make a good choice in your life.

[abstetic]

All I see here is a chubby guy that lost weight.. U cycled what u gain? Nothing lol

[BobTheBodyBuilder]

The way i see it, people here bash on young ones because most of them dont know anything about steroids . And I can see why that is seeing this thread. Im sure most of the younger ones thinking about getting on the gear have no idea what theyre getting into, simply because of lack of knowledge.

however there are some young bodybuilders out there who have done their research and know about pct, diet, rest, etc and will most likely stay safe post cycle.

So the way I see it, if people who are under 24 want to hop on the gear, by all means go ahead. We have nothing to lose, we are just trying to keep you guys safe; however, make sure you have done your research. You will regret it later in life.

[Atomini]

The way i see it, people here bash on young ones because most of them dont know anything about steroids. And I can see why that is seeing this thread. Im sure most of the younger ones thinking about getting on the gear have no idea what theyre getting into, simply because of lack of knowledge.

however there are some young bodybuilders out there who have done their research and know about pct, diet, rest, etc and will most likely stay safe post cycle.

So the way I see it, if people who are under 24 want to hop on the gear, by all means go ahead. We have nothing to lose, we are just trying to keep you guys safe; however, make sure you have done your research. You will regret it later in life.

Really? Seriously? Did you really just say that?

I've helped out a few people under 25 to cycle safely. This is because I deemed them mature enough to do so, and accept responsibility for their actions in deciding to plunge into this activity. HOWEVER, most of the people who come around here that are under 25 - let alone as young as 19 - are NOT mature enough to be using AAS, and this is always prominently displayed in their actions, their words, and their attitudes.

Are you really telling us that the majority of sub-25 year olds coming on here are mature enough to be using it at their ages?

[warmouth]

Okay here we go Patz, atm i'm 18 and i thought about cycling too a few months ago,unlike u probably i live in a sh*tty country where it's pretty hard for my parents to buy me meat all the time so i can eat it in all 6 meals.I have been eating tuna for 3 times a day in past few months only because it's CHEAP and i was able to afford it(it's prettymuch good source of protein ain't it?).After that i told myself ..why would i cycle if i can't even eat properly(economics destroyed me) - though i still manage to somehow,so i decided to wait a few years till i study hard and go somewhere else(might even take to 25-26 so guess how hard is it to w8 till than eh?But i got no choice).I actually do train hard for 2-2,5 years already and i got great genetics(father was in this sport also).So AT LEAST w8 with the cycling till u get 2 years of exp,till u learn to eat properly(try to eat same cr*p 3 times a day for a few months and u'll almost be puking - still that shows ur effort and passion), and till u do enough research(even i know that 1st cycle has to be test only - prop i guess if cutting,and test e if bulking).
Also in addition to this,u can watch a documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster about anabolics - there you'll actually see why those models are actually "ripped"(photoshop does wonders eh ..)
There ya go,advice from a kid younger then you.

Hey Patz, right there is the leader I was talking about to you in PMs. This is what you stive for. This guy just took over that mantle! Good for you man. You have to train and train hard before juicing to see if youll even be into it in a year. This guys is admirable. He has trouble paying for food, and you dont even put importance on that. You lucky bro? Good for you Myers and keep up the HARD work. Man this has been an awesome post! Very smart and just an overall inspiration. Heck Myers, you are way younger than me and I wish I had your self control and motivation.

[warmouth]

you are total wrong, frist of i am 19 whatever you believe it or not.
Second: I want to do roids, i don't adore zyzz that much that you are expressingplease look at your avi
and last, i'm not getting my "dream body" because i want to fool around and **** several woman. I have a girlfriend, the best one, been together for two years. 2 whole years???
call it the wrong reasons if you want, but in my head i have all the good reasons !

prove it

[Bevsta123]

Well, I'm done with my cycle and I want tips for another one, whatever you guys say I'm going to do another one. So in my mind it tells me better to ask for some tips instead of going for something I might
Don't know that much about..

Thanks for looking out for me, but I know what my body is capable of and I want to test it to some new levels.

So either you forum viewers and readers could give me some tips or I'll might do something I'll regret..

Sorry if some of you feel I am offensive, but I just want to express that I am going to do this anyway.
Best Regards Patrick

Haha you threaten us by saying you'll do something you'll regret due to us not giving you want you want to hear. The members have told you already but just like the others that come and go on the forums you can't chuck a sad when you don't hear what you want to hear.

[Patz]

prove it

Prove what? That I am 19? That I have a girlfriend?

[Bevsta123]

Indeed, we try, we might fail, we might not, if you fail it mostly can be fixed, if not you have already learn a dusin.
I want to do this for my own sake, so I can appreciate my own body for the looks, currently I do not like my body, that's why I want to make a change of that, as quickly as possible! Not interested in any 3 year diet plan to maybe get there, I want to do cycles so I KNOW I get there!
I will soon buy Test Prop and do 500 a week for 4 weeks, when this is done, I'll publish some more pictures and tell you the changes, and also share what side affects I did not get after my PCT!

I wana hear you say that when your on HRT for the rest of your life.

[warmouth]

Ok. I got a few things to say here and Ill try to let it die out. The emo crap is stupid, from both shadowmaker and patz. The zyzz this, the zyzz that, blah blah blah. He lived a full meaningful life and lived to the fullest unlike old people who have never really lived, etc, etc, etc. Basically what I am seeing here is 2 young, very immature guys, feeding off eachother. This has gotten ridiculous and to think that shadow is still encouraging young people into "doing it right" makes me sick to my stomach. Hey shadow, the stickys are there for ANYONE willing to learn! I am grateful for having freedom of speech onthe public forum, and I am grateful to have it here in the US. I never take it for granted either, as it isa freedom and it also comes with a responibility of its own, or it can be lost if used unresponsibly. This isnot what I want and I respect everyones advice, right or wrong. I dont respect someone willing to give advice to a child, who has no experience in personal fitness training and is too unwilling to educate or work hard to get the body of "his dreams". I bust my freaking balls to get whatever I can get. My diet isnt the best, my rest isnt the best, but I bust it to at least try and ask experienced guys on here what I need to tweek or do differently. And I listen! Of course, I am 30 and have learned hard lessons on my own that could have been avoided by listening to my dad, uncles, elders, etc. I know this now and I would give anything and everything to go back and redo the damage I have done to myself and others. I struggle everyday just to cope with the consequences of my actions from my teens and early 20s. I was a total dick to kids in high school, and now, I ave to see them in town and I am always apologetic about the way I treated them, andthey really dont care what I have to say because the damage I done to them and the humiliation I caused them was and is still unbearable enough that they cannot forgiveme. I know that is off topic, but it is an example of what canhappen when you dont listen to sound advice. Whats to happen if you start that lame 4 week Prop cycle and finish up with clen and T3 and have a heartattack or an anaeurism and die? What happens to those who love you? They suffer and you are responsible for it. And there will be nothing you can to to fix or change it. Shadow, in my opinion, you should be allowed to listen, but not advice at this time. You are uneducated on the subject and should just listen to the big dogs and learn. I wish I could beat itinto your heads that youll never learn by not taking advicefrom these guys WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT! But it is hard to listenandlearnwhen you already know everything. Atomini, T Dogg, KelKel, sorry ifI missed anymore, have given the best advice that could have been given. If your DRs, or Arnold orZyzz himself came in, they couldnt give you any better advice than these guys just did. Listen to them and learn. I do. I dont know a fraction of what they know and I am trying to absorb it like a sponge! At least give it a shot. Its better to listen and have the freedom to ask them questions than it is to be banned from the site. Take advantage of what they know. You canask any of them, I bug the heck out of them. But I am not going to learn by just sitting here and doing nothing. If you are serious andshow signs of maturity, they will help you far more than anyone else. These guys posting in this thread are the most helpful out there, andthat iswhy they are posting in this thread to begin with. Where are the mods, the experienced vets? These are your guys, so use them for what the are and what they know. They arent trying to bash, you guys are just making it soeasy that it is hard not too. Patz, PM Atomini our conversation and get his insights. Lean on him and talk to him and be honest. Dont listen to shadow and his 4 week cycle plan. Going to shut yourself down for 4 weeks and stop right before the gains start. Cherish the freedom of speech we have here and dont taint it by saying or doing stupid things that could ultimitley cost us all inthe long run. Freedom is a good thing guys, you just might like it!

[t-dogg]

Can a mod just delete this dumb thread. Im tired of seeing it pop up.


Kid, your 19. You asked for advice, you didnt hear what you wanted. Truth hurts.

You want to do whatever you have planned, thats your call.

Weather you prove everyone right or wrong, does it really matter? You only live once, and your health ranks up there on things to have.


Again good luck.

[warmouth]

Prove what? That I am 19? That I have a girlfriend?

That in your head its for all the good reasons. Tell me what you mean by that?

[warmouth]

Anyone else getting bombarded by PMs? If not,want to trade?

[Patz]

That in your head its for all the good reasons. Tell me what you mean by that?

My right reasons is because I have done this first cycle of winstrol and clen , I made it thru, no side effects, I want to go longer, I want to get the body that I, and only I feel satisfied with. I have read, not enough prolly, but enough to know all the side effects, what who can append to me, and witch serious damage it can do.
But are shadow so wrong when he is pointing out that a cycle on 4 weeks with test-p is not that dangerous? I have never said I will do clen And t3 after that cycle, it's that test-p and that's it. Will that be so wrong?
I know about the consequences, I'm going to have a strait diet before and during and after the cycle, it's just to boost the progression abit.

Conclusion is that in my head this seems right, I want to listen to all of what you have to say, and I don't ignore the vets and what all of you say, I read it and I take it to my mind.
I have not bough the test yet, and I won't either, I will wait till I am
110% sure of what I am doing to myself. In my head all this seems right. And if I study enough, get more clearance of what witch might happened and if I can get out of it with no damage, I see no reason why I should not do it.

[Bevsta123]

OP, there is no more hope for you. Nuff said.

[lato79]

Really??.......shit!!! :/

[Lunk1]

This is NOT advise it is an attempt to prove to you that you need more time, experience, education and maturity. If you say you know the consequences of cycling at your THEN YOU WOULD NOT DO IT! If you say you have read "enough to know what can happen to you" THEN YOU WOULD NOT DO IT! If really think that foolowing Shadows advise is a good idea then let me point out that a 4 week cycle of prop is a waist of time and $. It takes me 7 to 10 days MINIMUM for prop to even "kick in" so the gains from prop you would make in the following 2 weeks or so would be miniscule and not worth the shutdown of your maxed out test potential.

Could you "get out of a 4 week prop cycle without damage" perhaps...but pehaps not just as well. Is the reward (there wouldn't be any) be worth the risk??? Be mature, be an adult. Making comments like I am just going to do it anyway and may hurt myself or to whatever affect it was. Is quite simply the type of comment made by an angry rebelious teenager...do you honestly think that someone with that mentality should be using steroids ? Think kid! Give these guys a chance, do the things they advise you. I along with many others I am sure would guarantee you would be sucessfull and amazed at the results if you put in the time and effort. But hey..you call. Think like and adult or act like a child.....

[Shadowmaker]

It takes me 7 to 10 days MINIMUM for prop to even "kick in"

Nelson Montana would facepalm so hard right now... but ill copy-paste his own comment :

"20 years ago, 6 weeks was considered a standard cycle. I've seen results in 2 weeks though most would say that's not possible. But they don't know what I know.
For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

The difference in how fast a long ester kicks in isn't weeks, it's hours. The reason testosterone propionate kicks a little more is threefold. #1: It hits within minutes. #2: The faster release des provide a higher dosage in the bloodstream on day one. #3: testosterone propionate is actually a higher concentration because the short acting ester "fits" more active molecule. So 100 mgs of testosterone propionate is really more like 115 mgs of test. (Or more accurately, 100 mgs of test is really about 80 mgs and testosterone propionate is closer to 90%).

But over the course of a few weeks, it all pretty much evens out. Add an extra shot of T along the way and the end result is the same.

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that."

This is all Nelson Montana(if he will want to sue me from stealing his stuff).

Dont disinform people about that drugs that are used in medicine take time to kick in... Roids are made for people in hospitals with life threatning diseases. If a roid cycle would take weeks to start working, the hospitals would have been full of corpses.
Its not a normal drug that doesnt act immediatly, otherwise it can't save people.

[Lunk1]

Nelson Montana would facepalm so hard right now... but ill copy-paste his own comment :

"20 years ago, 6 weeks was considered a standard cycle. I've seen results in 2 weeks though most would say that's not possible. But they don't know what I know.
For the millionth time, short acting esters are no faster, only shorter. Steroids DO NOT take weeks to kick in. They are active immediately.

The difference in how fast a long ester kicks in isn't weeks, it's hours. The reason testosterone propionate kicks a little more is threefold. #1: It hits within minutes. #2: The faster release des provide a higher dosage in the bloodstream on day one. #3: testosterone propionate is actually a higher concentration because the short acting ester "fits" more active molecule. So 100 mgs of testosterone propionate is really more like 115 mgs of test. (Or more accurately, 100 mgs of test is really about 80 mgs and testosterone propionate is closer to 90%).

But over the course of a few weeks, it all pretty much evens out. Add an extra shot of T along the way and the end result is the same.

There's no reason to clear the system faster on a short cycle. The lingering half life acts as a slight taper over a week or so. No problem with that."

This is all Nelson Montana(if he will want to sue me from stealing his stuff).

Dont disinform people about that drugs that are used in medicine take time to kick in... Roids are made for people in hospitals with life threatning diseases. If a roid cycle would take weeks to start working, the hospitals would have been full of corpses.
Its not a normal drug that doesnt act immediatly, otherwise it can't save people.

Thanks Shadow! If you focus your attention on READING a post instead of concentrating on the argument you will notice that I always use " " when I refer to kicking in or "start" to work. While not an expert by no stretch of the imagination I do understand enough about how medications work to realize that steroids start to work even on the first injection. The "kick in" or "start" that is often referenced is the time before MOST ppl NOTICE the affect of the steroid ie. side affects, strenght gains, labido increases, aggression and so on. But thanks for the read.

[Shadowmaker]

Thanks Shadow! If you focus your attention on READING a post instead of concentrating on the argument you will notice that I always use " " when I refer to kicking in or "start" to work. While not an expert by no stretch of the imagination I do understand enough about how medications work to realize that steroids start to work even on the first injection. The "kick in" or "start" that is often referenced is the time before MOST ppl NOTICE the affect of the steroid ie. side affects, strenght gains, labido increases, aggression and so on. But thanks for the read.

Nelsons comment was made about why he think that 3week cycles are enough... he was asked about - which test to use, and he said that it doesnt matter cause prop is shorter, not faster, and the comment ment to say, that 3 week cycle is long enough even with Test E.
so - one might feel it sooner, some - later.. but there is no such thing as "7-10 days" for prop, or random weeks for enth.
its all bullshit and its bad for ya/G.Carlin/

[mockery]

so test suspention kicks in seconds with this logic!

where is bear to call out shadow for the dumb ass he is who only wants to argue.

cortisone takes 48 to 72 hours to kick in and dies off in a couple of weeks form my understanding. Its a fast acting pharma grade steriod used in hospitals every day.

for 2 week or 6 week cycle to be effective you need suspension, or you need to front load a large dose of prop day 1, 450 test, day 2 150 , 150mg Everyday for the duration of teh short cycle finishing the last inject 3 days before teh deadline of teh proposed cycle.

My dr. as well as board members like Gixx have all agreed test C on TRT ( upjohn/phiser _ pharma made over priced hospital grade gear takes 2 weeks to be up and running to stable blood levels. Its the side effects good and bad that start coming from week 3-5 of longer esters.

[mockery]

Teenagers and kids and mature confused new members dont read anything shadowmaker says. Its miss leading, This is teh same guy that says PCT and Ai's are not aviable in his country or too expenisve to consider buying and his dealer says he cant get them ( althou its all very cheap and ready to buy from Ar-r above on the sponsored banner to be shipped to your house express post with 10,000's of positive feed back.) Can you put a price on your health? can you trust your health with his advice?? HEED MY WORDS

hes 22 years old claims he knows more then our most experinced senior memebers, he uses gear with 16 years olds and thats ok. hes married to a doctor and has all the facts aviable to him 24/7 from his old ladys roladex like mind on all things medical.

[Shadowmaker]

or you need to front load a large dose of prop day 1, 450 test, day 2 150 , 150mg Everyday for the duration of teh short cycle finishing the last inject 3 days before teh deadline of teh proposed cycle.

that is not at all "large" front load, but yeah - that is how it works...
anyhow, for a newb, ANY dose of test is like a "large front load"... idea of front load is to get the levels up, but for a guy whos levels have never been up, a front load could actually stop the heart like these old guys sometimes do when they get young babes and inject some test at the age of 80...

[Shadowmaker]

althou its all very cheap and ready to buy from Ar-r above on the sponsored banner to be shipped to your house express post

dude, even protein from bb.com doesnt get over our boarders, why do you talk shit right now? why are you saying stuff you dont know?



oh, lets make a deal... you get ANYTHING that looks like powder or tabs to my door and ill pay you twice as much as you spend, ok?
PM me for my adress and postal code etc.

[Shadowmaker]

nice insulting... do what you want - tell ppl to do 3 month test cycles and then go give some advice in TRT section... what do i care?

and now you are trying to sell me stuff from a website that most likely pays you to do so... nice try dude, nice try : "heres the banner, buy stuff, get it shipped to you"...

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im pretty sure that banner ad pays for the bandwidth you are wasting...

bbdotcum - hello you misinformed smart guy is going through supposed charges of selling anabolic steroids ... of course their packages will be seized and inspected. Read the news...

[Shadowmaker]

im pretty sure that banner ad pays for the bandwidth you are wasting...

bbdotcum - hello you misinformed smart guy is going through supposed charges of selling anabolic steroids... of course their packages will be seized and inspected. Read the news...

news? thats like 8 year old news and it not because of bb.com - its the same with everything - why do you think in here supps cost twice as much as in the US but our salaries are 1/3 of US average salary, huh? thats because there is very specific list of things that can get inside this country...they banned even N.O. X-Plode so its been stored "in the back of the shop" and "is not for sale"...
its never the problem to WHO sends... its the deal on our boarder - chocholate even can get inspected, but you, misinformed smart guy, wouldnt know that, right?

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A boarder facility has teh right to inspect anything they choose, inspecting chocolate doesnt surprise me as its a food item.