New cycle + pics

[slimshady01]

Dude... let me just lay things out a little more clearly for you..

Here is YOUR diet:



Here is MY current diet:



You ready to eat anywhere near that? No? Then you're not ready to cycle until you do.

I eat more in my first 3 meals than you do in one whole day.

lol solid post... Kid is eating like a worm.

Atom, is that a maintaining diet, cut or bulk diet.. What are your stats...

like your diet..

[kelkel]

@ Atomini^^Yep. Personally, I was impressed with the cottage cheese. I eat the crap out of it at night. Great slow digesting protein!

To the op: If you do one thing here, get complete Blood Work done now. At least with that you can look back and see where your levels should be in the future.

[warmouth]

Thank you! My first!

[manmanman]

For that before picture, how did you gain so much fat eating so little?

Also if zyzz is your inspiration, you would know he didn't use his first cycle to cut.

[warmouth]

This is the best reply I gotten so far. thank you Warmouth for replying to me. I really appresuate, I would you to reply on this aswell!
Clen and Winstrol did much with me. I dropped from 100kg down to 87kg. I was flattered, I was happy, and I was very sadicefied with using Clen, it was no side effects and did a boungh of kiloes away from my body. It didnt do as much as you think. It spead up your metabolism, which you werent getting enough macros in anyways. It didnt build hardly any muscle, just accented what you had under the pudge
Now that I am "skinny" as you say, I don't feel skinny at all. that picture is taken after loads of situps, crunches and other belly exercies and 1hour 30mins on 3DMill while having an incite on 15. and a speed of 7km/t
So only by that I felt that i dropd some pounds. But you are very skinny. You have to eat to build mass, or anything you do willbe wasted(whether it be exercise or AAS). Food should be priority number 1. You didnt have and still dont have the physique to cut. Zyzz had the mass to cut, you dont yet. I am telling you with certainty that you would have had better results with diet alone in 2 months than you did with that cycle.
Still, I can see you all tell me that I should wait years, eat healthy, diety, and keep up with training normaly.
My workouts are Mon-Sunday (every ****ing day, yes indeed) for 1-2 hours. But not having experience with training before using, this will more than likely burn you out. Not many people here or elsewhere workout 7 days a week. This is another reason that you are not ready for this. Rest is as important that training. Diet is more important than either. Being that you are new to working out, 3-4 days is more than sufficient.
I want to get my dream body, ASAP!
I know I need to use something to get this.Patience is a virtue. The harder you work at your goals, the more likely you will keep them and continue the lifestyle. This goes for everything you do in life. NEVER take the shortcuts. You will never suceed at anything doing that. Hard work pays off, and the end result will be something you are much more proud of.
And I have seen alot of results of ppl using anavar etc, together with either T3, Clen or Test Prop together with Tren Ace. I am intrested in knowing what you think are the best. Not why I should wait. Test supposed to be used as a base for every cycle. What you are not understanding is that at your age, you are naturally producing as much Test as we are "supplementing" with. This is why you will grow very fast naturally because you have not nearly reached your genetic potential. Your Test levels should be throught the roof. There is no need to shut yourself down when you are producing enough to do exactly what you want to do. And you also have no reasone to use a fat burner with your current stats regardless. T3 and Clen is definitely nothing you should experiment with until you actually form a base to build on. Seriously man, you dont have a solid foundation and need to put on mass. Atominis diet is what you should aim for, but if you cant afford it, try to get as close as you can. Let your mom or sis eat the salads, and you go for the meat and veggies. Get weight on first.
But thanks again. Great reply, and yeah, Zyzz cloning accepted :P " I want to be a SHREDDA ****, So many other can be MIRIN!!"
Best Regards PatrickBe yourself and nobody else. You have to be happy in your own skin because you are the only you in the world. Let people try to imitate you, not you imitate them. You be the example and the leader. Maybe you can be the influence on the young guys that come on here, and they can look up too you and seek advice from you. You be your own zyzz and let eveyone else 'mir you

PPS: THANKS WARMOUTH FOR GREAT REPLY!

Please read the bold.

[Patz]

Please read the bold.

Thanks for another great reply Warmouth. So far I find you the best replyer her overall, you tell me exactly what I need to hear.
I would love to talk privately with you. I'm going to PM you.
Hope you reply to me there aswell )

[Atomini]

lol solid post... Kid is eating like a worm.

Atom, is that a maintaining diet, cut or bulk diet.. What are your stats...

like your diet..

Currently bulking on a test and tren cycle with GW-501516 for fat loss at the same time.

[Patz]

Currently bulking on a test and tren cycle with GW-501516 for fat loss at the same time.

Am I not able to run that? Maybe not the same dosage as you, but way lower to see how my body react to it, if gyno etc. I will use PTC and be prepared fully.

Heard a lot about tren , but are you using test -a/e? And how many ml per week of the test, and what about tren? You can get that in oral and inject. Please tell me something

[Atomini]

Am I not able to run that? Maybe not the same dosage as you, but way lower to see how my body react to it, if gyno etc. I will use PTC and be prepared fully.

Heard a lot about tren, but are you using test -a/e? And how many ml per week of the test, and what about tren? You can get that in oral and inject. Please tell me something

Tren is not for you. It is not for beginner users. If you don't know what you are doing with tren, you can mess yourself up BAD. Trenbolone is for users who have at least 4 or 5 REAL cycles under their belt. You cannot get it in an oral form.

I am currently doing 100mg/week of test propionate with 800mg/week of tren acetate. This is not a cycle for beginners what so ever.

[Patz]

Tren is not for you. It is not for beginner users. If you don't know what you are doing with tren, you can mess yourself up BAD. Trenbolone is for users who have at least 4 or 5 REAL cycles under their belt. You cannot get it in an oral form.

I am currently doing 100mg/week of test propionate with 800mg/week of tren acetate. This is not a cycle for beginners what so ever.

Then what would you say is something of the best a beginner can do then? Or what was you're first cycle?
Including dosage and PTC please

[Shadowmaker]

i look up to, it's Zyzz

My point is that I want to be sadisfied with my own body

And I am not intrested in years of waiting for the dream body that I want.

I want this to happend within the next months (2-6months)

here is the thing :

as i did promise, i will not hold you back, because there is a lot of stuff you are saying that i agree with you in, but there are a few thing you should know.
before all that, i want you to know, that im not one of the 40yr olds who doesnt know who Zyzz is and is going to tell stupid crap just because i was born in medieval times and cant relate to young people.
first of all - ill be 23 within a few weeks, i have done about 3 cycles a year since i was like 19 i gues... different kinds, most of them didnt do shit, because im the one who has to **** up un his own in order to learn something... this : "one dude on a forum said" doesnt get me into beliving in something.

now lets start :

the Zyzz dude... im not a fan of him but i respect the guy... the thing with Zyzz is that he has Godlike genetics. Ppl hate him cause they "jelly". I can tell you honest - i have been doin steroids for almost 4 years and look nowhere close like Zyzz did.
the genetics is what decides everything - look at his brother - hes good but not as good as Zyzz even thou they should have more or less the same genetics.
What steroids do is enhance what your genetics have for you.
For example - i lack chest. I was bodybuilding for 3 years naturally, i was 200lbs back then - almost no chest muscles althou my benchpress wasnt weak at all along with all the inclines and dips.
So when i started using roids - what happened? I got bigger. But it doesnt make up for my genetics - i still lack chest, im just bigger. I was 200lbs and lacking chest and my biggest on-cycle weight has been 242lbs and i was still lacking just the same proportionate way i was just bigger overall.

So first point is that you will never get what you dont have. You will get more of what you have - but it wont get any better.

Next thing about the Zyzz and roids and you willing to have his body after 6 months. Steroids doesnt work that fast. Zyzz was bodybuilding for 3-4 years, maybe all of them on juice.

So the second point is : to get the body of Zyzz you need 3-4 years on juice IF you have godlike genetics like he does.

so before you cycle you have to understand those two things...
are you ok with that?

[Patz]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

[Shadowmaker]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

i gues youll be wanting to be lean all the time, no bulk, right?
well, i think you could try doin test prop alone... the stuff you wanna do is for cutting mostly, but the Zyzz guy had some awesome mass... To cut you need something to cut in to. So the fastest way would be bulk now, cut later. By doing lean mass gains, it will be better looking all the time, but youll progress a lot slower and will have to work much more years.

the guy had like 18" arms at least, so you have to build the base... if you dont belive in natural bodybuilding, start by doin test prop - it will not hold any water but it will cost more...

also, when on roids you have to eat... do at least 250g of protein... you can supplement with whey in the early morning and after the workout... also, protein is what builds muscle, but carbs is what actually does the building, so if you will not have any carbs you will not grow. Zyzz wasnt into starving - there is actually a video on youtube in which you can see that he ate some kind of pancakes with protein powder after workout which is - lots of simple carbs and protein, so i think he actually knew how to eat.

you can ignore guys who want you to be a 35 year old bodybuilder, but dont ignore them on the diet thing... diet is what does 80% of work... steroids will just allow you to reach your goals faster if you are not scared of the sides and health risks.

[Shadowmaker]

here is my diet :

1)Wake up - 55g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
2)30min after that - 100g oats + 130g of grilled chicken.
3)3 hours after that - 85g brown rice + 130g of grilled chicken.
4)3 hours after that - 100g of wholegrain pasta + 130g of grilled chicken.
WORKOUT
5)after workout - 40g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
6)30 min after that - 120g of wholegrain rye bread + 130g of grilled chicken. (i think you dont have rye bread in US but youll think of something)
7)before sleep - 75g of whey+casein mix.

gets me about 300g protein, 350g of carbs, some 30g of fats(lil low on these ones).
would be low on carbs too imo, but im studying political science so im basically sitting on my ass all day, talking to people about Socrates and Plato. Also, my workouts are only 15min long(Mentzers HIT) so i think its enough for me.

[Patz]

here is my diet :

1)Wake up - 55g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
2)30min after that - 100g oats + 130g of grilled chicken.
3)3 hours after that - 85g brown rice + 130g of grilled chicken.
4)3 hours after that - 100g of wholegrain pasta + 130g of grilled chicken.
WORKOUT
5)after workout - 40g dextrose + 67g Whey powder.
6)30 min after that - 120g of wholegrain rye bread + 130g of grilled chicken. (i think you dont have rye bread in US but youll think of something)
7)before sleep - 75g of whey+casein mix.

gets me about 300g protein, 350g of carbs, some 30g of fats(lil low on these ones).
would be low on carbs too imo, but im studying political science so im basically sitting on my ass all day, talking to people about Socrates and Plato. Also, my workouts are only 15min long(Mentzers HIT) so i think its enough for me.

THANKS for both replies! I will try test prop then I guess. And I'll focus on getting way more protein and carbs in my body. I do have whey protein at home, I only take one after training, but I can start taking two!
But then when I do test prop, it will increase my size and muscles,
Not like bulking, but sort of, when done (10-12 weeks) for cutting then to get ripped, could I then do clen and t3?
And how much test should I get during a week? ~500ml? Or how would you do it? Like Monday 150ml or all at once, once a week?

[Shadowmaker]

I'll focus on getting way more protein and carbs in my body.

remember that steroids like test prop allows your muscles to "attach" more aminos to them... so basically, if you do steroids and dont eat carbs and protein, steroids have nothing to work with... steroids are like a construction workers - best in the world, but the protein and carbs are quality materials, and without the materials the workers cant build anything. it is more important than it sounds like.

But then when I do test prop, it will increase my size and muscles,
Not like bulking, but sort of, when done (10-12 weeks) for cutting then to get ripped, could I then do clen and t3?

i wouldnt suggest anything at 10-12 weeks... i have done long cycles - didnt go too well... im a believer that you can do hit and runs - 4-5 weeks... you get in and get out fast - youll get less sides, less time off, less chance to screw up. there is actually an artice about this with blood work and everything where the dude researched this stuff...
you do have to let your natural test to restore after the cycle, so - time on = time off, or - i do 5 weeks on, 7 weeks off(it makes 3 full months so its easier to plan). Because whats the point of a hot body if you wont be able to fcuk some babes with it, right? Take at least equal time off to know that you will be able to continue enjoy the benefits of your body for a long time.

And how much test should I get during a week? ~500ml? Or how would you do it? Like Monday 150ml or all at once, once a week?

id say - go 4 weeks by doin test prop 100mg every other day - 1day, 3day, 5day, 7day, 2day, 4day, 6day etc etc... so, 4 weeks = 14 injections of 100mg each.
if you will gain good, take 4 weeks off and do the same again. dont up the dosages while it works - you dont want to end up like me by taking 1g of test just to get it to work - its just expensive

you will not need a cut cycle for a while - you are in a good shape and that will not change as long as youll eat right. youll get bigger but remain the same condition for a while...

we will be able to talk about some cutting only when we will see how you look after a few cycles with some new mass cause its possible that the only thing youll need to cut is to add some cardio...

[Patz]

remember that steroids like test prop allows your muscles to "attach" more aminos to them... so basically, if you do steroids and dont eat carbs and protein, steroids have nothing to work with... steroids are like a construction workers - best in the world, but the protein and carbs are quality materials, and without the materials the workers cant build anything. it is more important than it sounds like.

i wouldnt suggest anything at 10-12 weeks... i have done long cycles - didnt go too well... im a believer that you can do hit and runs - 4-5 weeks... you get in and get out fast - youll get less sides, less time off, less chance to screw up. there is actually an artice about this with blood work and everything where the dude researched this stuff...
you do have to let your natural test to restore after the cycle, so - time on = time off, or - i do 5 weeks on, 7 weeks off(it makes 3 full months so its easier to plan). Because whats the point of a hot body if you wont be able to fcuk some babes with it, right? Take at least equal time off to know that you will be able to continue enjoy the benefits of your body for a long time.

id say - go 4 weeks by doin test prop 100mg every other day - 1day, 3day, 5day, 7day, 2day, 4day, 6day etc etc... so, 4 weeks = 28 injections of 100mg each.
if you will gain good, take 4 weeks off and do the same again. dont up the dosages while it works - you dont want to end up like me by taking 1g of test just to get it to work - its just expensive

you will not need a cut cycle for a while - you are in a good shape and that will not change as long as youll eat right. youll get bigger but remain the same condition for a while...

we will be able to talk about some cutting only when we will see how you look after a few cycles with some new mass cause its possible that the only thing youll need to cut is to add some cardio...

THANKS a lot Shadowmaker! Thanks for all the advice, two last questions:
When at the day should I inject the test? At morning, before training??
And do I need PCT after that small amount and time on roids?

Thanks again!

[gymsoldier]

Im glad to see someone else use sytha-6!!

Completely off topic for this thread. But, have you seen the lab results for Syntha-6? Not good at all I'm afraid. I'll PM you the link when I get the chance.

And OP, I read through the tread briefly, so stop me if I'm wrong. But I heard no mention of you running PCT after your Winny only "cycle".

[Shadowmaker]

THANKS a lot Shadowmaker! Thanks for all the advice, two last questions:
When at the day should I inject the test? At morning, before training??
And do I need PCT after that small amount and time on roids?

Thanks again!

just try to do it always the same time...
since you need 14 injections, i would suggest that you would buy enough for 15, and do the first injection at night before the actual first day on the cycle and then do them at the same time... that is the way i do them - i do front loads because i want the stuff to be working the actual first day i have planned my cycle...
so, if you plan to start on Monday and pin at night(i always do at night, cause i dont have time for it at morning but it doesnt matter when you do it) do the first one sunday night, and then start the cycle as i described... that way, you will have some extra test at the first workout of your first cycle day and you will take advantage of the cycle since day one(its important if doin shorties).

if you can get that stuff you people use for pct - do it...
i dont do it because i cant buy that stuff(beauty of a 3rd world country) so im doing it the oldschool way - by letting my body to combat that shit on its own, but if i could buy that stuff i would read the PCT threads and do a PCT cause you cant lose anything - it can only help
some say, that PCT helps keeping gains, so - if you dont give a shit about health, keeping gains is what should make you want a pct

you're welcome and i hope that you will get what you want and live the life you want to live

[warmouth]

4 years of juice.. Well, I would say I have decent genes..
So If that was for sure that I get the body, then yes..
Although I don't think he was juicy for 4 years, I know he's cycle. But I want some tips from you guys instead of following him complete.
He's cycle:
Tren ace
Test prop
T3
Clen

What is a good cycle for me? I think winny and clen did wonders on me.. But for a second cycle, what would you suggest?

That cycle is a "proposed" cycle of what the author thought hs cycle looked like. But you have to realize that he had bulk to begin with. He is thought to have run year-round, which is stupid to begin with. It shows lackofself control anda lack of self confidence. T3 and Clen are ridiculous for you to even consider at your size. I know, as well as everyone else, that you are going to cycle, but research stickys and make sure you do everything right. No one that cares isgoing to advise you onwhatand how to run. That is going to be on you totally. I have a friend rightnow who started heavy on AAS at 20, and now he is 30 and has no cartilage in his knees or elbows. He blasts me for considering them, but I am 30 and am on TRT. He has to take shots monthly for pain and he is fat. He can no longer work out because of the damage he did at such a young age. Just a thought.

[mockery]

Patz

Zyzz is dead, and you will be too if you contiune to use drugs you know nothing about, i could train you and make you alot bigger with out drugs and so could alot of people out there. drugs are not the answer. Steriods make you small. And when you lose the use of your dick at your age, good luck at finding a girl being accepted in society. You will be labled limp dick pat. and the downward spire will push you to further your drug abuse untill one day you dont wake up cause you had a heart attack in your sleep. And when u are in the iron den in the sky , zyzz wont be coming over to call u a fully mad kunt and welcome you as a brother in iron, he will call you a dumb kunt.

[Myers]

Okay here we go Patz, atm i'm 18 and i thought about cycling too a few months ago,unlike u probably i live in a sh*tty country where it's pretty hard for my parents to buy me meat all the time so i can eat it in all 6 meals.I have been eating tuna for 3 times a day in past few months only because it's CHEAP and i was able to afford it(it's prettymuch good source of protein ain't it?).After that i told myself ..why would i cycle if i can't even eat properly(economics destroyed me) - though i still manage to somehow,so i decided to wait a few years till i study hard and go somewhere else(might even take to 25-26 so guess how hard is it to w8 till than eh?But i got no choice).I actually do train hard for 2-2,5 years already and i got great genetics(father was in this sport also).So AT LEAST w8 with the cycling till u get 2 years of exp,till u learn to eat properly(try to eat same cr*p 3 times a day for a few months and u'll almost be puking - still that shows ur effort and passion), and till u do enough research(even i know that 1st cycle has to be test only - prop i guess if cutting,and test e if bulking).
Also in addition to this,u can watch a documentary called Bigger Stronger Faster about anabolics - there you'll actually see why those models are actually "ripped"(photoshop does wonders eh ..)
There ya go,advice from a kid younger then you.

[Shadowmaker]

Zyzz is dead, and you will be too

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids ... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids .
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

[Patz]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids ... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids .
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

So true

[mockery]

for some people, to die at young age is considered better than living the life you dont like.
lots of guys will chose 3 years of a perfect life they want, instead of 30 years of life they have never wanted.

Zyzz lived with no regrets... sadly - he died... But you should check out statistics - how many of the young ppl who die use steroids ... 1%?
There are people born with diseases. All the stuff you mention is killing young people who dont use steroids .
Steroids is not what kills you - its not a factor.

10 people died of heart disease and 1 of them was on steroids. now you go telling all the steroid users that they will die because of steroids.
i dont see you going in streets and just saying this crap to random people...why not? they have the same chances to die of the same diseases that the steroid users.

so you are saying all steroid users who have died in their 20's and 30's you dont think for a sec roids had anything to do with that? mate you can run all the pct and hcg , and whatever else tickles your fancy. But the clogged arteries associated with gear use and HIGH cholesterol is a very real thing and there is no warning signs... People are usually not honest about their cycles... people blast for long periods of time but say oh i was on for 10 weeks once... this KID needs to understand that there is side effects and very costly ones that come with using gear. YOu choose to say other wise almost giving him the green light to do drugs when the community and board rules states ar doesn't support in underage people using gear.

yes it sucks that people that abuse make it harder for teh rest of us every day to just live our live and do our thing, but do not turn a blind eye for one minute that steroids do not have a huge impact on our health, man hood and our lives. the moment you take this shit for granted you DIE. zyzz is not the first kid to go to Thailand for a steroid vacation and die... and he wont be the last. Ive seen friends end up in teh hospital almost dead from just taking dbol ... ive seen the highs and lows of this life style. So you can live in your bubble and say there is no proof that so and so died from a heart attack caused by steriods ... he just had a bad heart. but dont try to educate people on this board especially kids with this logic.

[Shadowmaker]

mockery - you wrote a really good comment and i respect you for that...

also, if you will read the discussion - i warned him about the sides... only not the gypsy way some of others would do that.

you cant save them all... this guy will poison himself to death if he has to... then better give him a normal starter cycle then let him eat clen like candy and die with heart problems.

all im sayin - there has to be someone who understands these guys, because belive me - when you are young and have goals in life, some 40yr old bald dude on the internet with ghost stories about : "i know a guy, who knows a guy, who has erectile disfunction" doesnt work.

most of guys in here who give their advice never try to listen to the guys and never wish to understand

[beeasy1689]

Here is my opinion, so correct me if I am wrong. I havent read over anything but your first post, but I think you want to like that guy Zyzz. The hair and shirt are a dead giveaway that you are not comfortable being who you are and feel like you needto be someone else. That cycle you ran was a total waste of money and time. Clen and winstrol are not compounds to make any gains woth mentioning, much less by theirselves. You need to research a proper cycle and understand that Test is and should alwaysbe incorperated into any cycle, regardless of what you think. Forget another cycle this soon. I know you will disregard that, but I want you to see the results you have gotten go away just so you will know you didit wrong. You didnt even build a good base on cycle to even think about running another. You need to recover from that horrible first cycle before you jump into another(eventhough you probably wont). Be yourself. Dont try to be what you are not. Be a leader and not a follower. It is good to have influences, but youshould never try to conform to them. But just so you know, Zyzz ran test. He wasnt stupid enought to run compounds alone. He at least researched and knew what to do. He did stupid things in order to keep his look, but he wasnt stupid as far as not researching. I cant stress enough to you to be yourself and dont conform to what others are or try to be douchy because you think its cool. YOu are very young and dont understand what these older, more experienced and wise men on here are trying to tell you. We were your age once and we know now that we were morons compared to what we know now. Maturity comes with age and it comes from taking solid advice. If you listen to these guys, they are giving solid advice based on mistakes they made at your age. They are not telling you to wait because they are "jelly". They know. And when you figure out that you dont know everything and that they are actually tryingto help you, that will be your first step to maturity. Your body is all you actually own. It is the only thing that you truley posess. Take care of it because you wont get another one. And last but not least, learn to eat. You are way too skinny and if I ran a 2 month cycle and looked like a JV cheerleaderwith short hair, I would definitely do something different. I guarantee you 100% that you would have gotten better results with diet alone in 2 months than you would have running those 2 compounds. You need to bulk and not get shredded. Skinny abs are really not impressiveat all. Eat, eat, and eat some more. I am telling you, 2 months of a great diet, you will have WAY better results than that mess that you just did, I promise. You mad bro? <<<-----Am I right about being a zyzz clone?

GREAT F*CKING post

[Shadowmaker]

also, mockery - whats your opinion on my health? im on of the youngest guys in here with bigger experience in roids than some of the oldest guys in here...
it seems that i should have some health problems right now? so, how many years before i will see the stuff you people tell me about?

i actually think of finishing the cycle, then take time off and then go to doctors and do some tests maybe... its just - if they will turn out good, no one will ever hear the end of it, so its risky

[mockery]

mockery - you wrote a really good comment and i respect you for that...

also, if you will read the discussion - i warned him about the sides... only not the gypsy way some of others would do that.

you cant save them all... this guy will poison himself to death if he has to... then better give him a normal starter cycle then let him eat clen like candy and die with heart problems.

all im sayin - there has to be someone who understands these guys, because belive me - when you are young and have goals in life, some 40yr old bald dude on the internet with ghost stories about : "i know a guy, who knows a guy, who has erectile disfunction" doesnt work.

most of guys in here who give their advice never try to listen to the guys and never wish to understand

Any vet could come in here, give this guy a solid cycle, diet and work out routine. this kid will take it and modify the frick out of it and then take advice from some skinny fat dude in his gym running abomb cycle only and then his source saying u dont need pct just eat vitamin c. Its gonna fall on deaf ears and be a waste of time. If he wants to eat clen like candy and do all of that, his his choosing. Nobody at AR suggested he do that, everyone suggested he avoid the drugs. He is 18, maybe 19 could be 17 we dont know he thinks he knows better and then he uses a guild trip" if you don't help me i will just do it anyways and end up hurting myself" this logic alone makes me think hes 16.

[mockery]

He still has no base to build off to even consider using aas. hes tall and big bones.. chest development and lat wing span are prof of this... he cant build a highrise with out the form-work and foundation poured first.

[mockery]

also, mockery - whats your opinion on my health? im on of the youngest guys in here with bigger experience in roids than some of the oldest guys in here...
it seems that i should have some health problems right now? so, how many years before i will see the stuff you people tell me about?

i actually think of finishing the cycle, then take time off and then go to doctors and do some tests maybe... its just - if they will turn out good, no one will ever hear the end of it, so its risky

there is no math for clogged arteries from high cholesterol and gear use. u need to see an educated doctor that can help you with this.

[Shadowmaker]

there is no math for clogged arteries from high cholesterol and gear use. u need to see an educated doctor that can help you with this.

so there is basically no way of telling how % higher are ones chances to get clogged arteries - on steroids compared to the one who has never used steroids, right?

this sounds like the story of a 20yr guy with a lung cancer who never smoked.

[ANIMAL]

so you are saying all steroid users who have died in their 20's and 30's you dont think for a sec roids had anything to do with that? mate you can run all the pct and hcg , and whatever else tickles your fancy. But the clogged arteries associated with gear use and HIGH cholesterol is a very real thing and there is no warning signs... People are usually not honest about their cycles... people blast for long periods of time but say oh i was on for 10 weeks once... this KID needs to understand that there is side effects and very costly ones that come with using gear. YOu choose to say other wise almost giving him the green light to do drugs when the community and board rules states ar doesn't support in underage people using gear.

yes it sucks that people that abuse make it harder for teh rest of us every day to just live our live and do our thing, but do not turn a blind eye for one minute that steroids do not have a huge impact on our health, man hood and our lives. the moment you take this shit for granted you DIE. zyzz is not the first kid to go to Thailand for a steroid vacation and die... and he wont be the last. Ive seen friends end up in teh hospital almost dead from just taking dbol... ive seen the highs and lows of this life style. So you can live in your bubble and say there is no proof that so and so died from a heart attack caused by steriods... he just had a bad heart. but dont try to educate people on this board especially kids with this logic.

Best post in this thread hands down.

After reading this whole entire thread, the OP is going to do what he wants, whether we give him advice or not.

In this post below he's basically threatening the forum:

Well, I'm done with my cycle and I want tips for another one, whatever you guys say I'm going to do another one. So in my mind it tells me better to ask for some tips instead of going for something I might
Don't know that much about..

Thanks for looking out for me, but I know what my body is capable of and I want to test it to some new levels.

So either you forum viewers and readers could give me some tips or I'll might do something I'll regret..

Sorry if some of you feel I am offensive, but I just want to express that I am going to do this anyway.
Best Regards Patrick

You know what your body is capable of? These "zyzz" worshippers are ridiculous. If you need that to get girls and live this life then I really do feel sorry for you. Jumping on gear for all the wrong reasons is just plain stupid. No cares in the world to your health and body just shows how young and stupid you really are.

I would HIGHLY suggest getting blood work done to see how your body responded after your first cycle, especially your liver. If someone was to tell you if you continued this, you would not be alive 1 year from now, and it was the truth, would you continue or stop? People on this forum are not bashing you because they are bored and have nothing better to do, there are reasons that have been proven why people are telling you to stop what you're doing.

Like I mentioned before, you will do what you want to do at the end of the day. Anyone that tells you to stop or you are stupid are just wasting their breathe (including my own). No one here will support you and encourage you, because we all know the ramifications of what you're about to do to your body. You have 1 body, 1 life... there is no reset button or Delorean to go back in time to change things. This is it buddy.

[mockery]

so there is basically no way of telling how % higher are ones chances to get clogged arteries - on steroids compared to the one who has never used steroids, right?

this sounds like the story of a 20yr guy with a lung cancer who never smoked.

no your doctor can tell you that, there is no bro science math. go ask your doctor.

[Shadowmaker]

no your doctor can tell you that, there is no bro science math. go ask your doctor.

ok, you are telling me stuff and when i had some questions you now say that i should speak to doctor and you dont know anything...
so - why did you start at all if you dont know for sure?

actually, my gf is a doctor and her mother is a doctor, so im in hospitals lots of time... more people die because they got random disease than people will ever die of roids...
actully - living with doctors and listening to them actually, is when you understand that there is one thing MUCH worse than screwing up your health with roids and it is : getting some disease while waiting for your first cycle...

guys...statistics are - 40% of us will die of cancer/hearth disease(depends on a country)... steroids or no steroids...

i prefer to die of something I did to myself, not some random shit disease with no reason.

[mockery]

you are beating a dead horse.

do you understand the number one side effect with using steriods ? High cholestrol and do you understand what impact that has on your life? and how that further becomes worse if you already have a history of heart disease in your family.

u basing your argument(s) on statistics .. wich fly for shit...

and because you are willing to die from roid use if it goes that way, doesnt mean you try and argue the fact that steriods cant kill u. If you wanna be a jihad gear users by all means do so. just keep that opinion to yourself.

[mockery]

Actually im gonna bow out of this one and stick to the diet forum, to much bro science in this forum. you said yourself you are younger then everyone else and have more gear experience then the average bald 40 year old gear user. YOU know everything.

good luck in your endeavors

[Shadowmaker]

just keep that opinion to yourself.

it has to be mine opinion that is kept to myself not any other... nice nazi stuff dude

[ANIMAL]

The only way the younger generation will learn is from personal experience. Not saying that everyone who is older were young, immature and didn't listen to advice, but for the most part, they have to fall on their ass, mess up their bodies, get treated back to normal conditions (whatever that is now) and then maybe they will have a different outlook.

But if you give into their questions, you're only stooping to their immature, know it all level. I never post in this section of the forum, but figured I'd see if there were any worth while threads to post in. This was the first thread I clicked and although entertaining, there's nothing to learn in here.

[Shadowmaker]

The only way the younger generation will learn is from personal experience. Not saying that everyone who is older were young, immature and didn't listen to advice, but for the most part, they have to fall on their ass, mess up their bodies, get treated back to normal conditions (whatever that is now) and then maybe they will have a different outlook.

we should copy-paste this one in each thread when this kind of discussion breaks out again.

this is perfect.

take me for example... i have 16yr old steroid using friends, 35yr old steroid using friends, and i even know one 55yr old(mr.universe of 2009 masters class)... everyone started young age... i dont see ANY health problems in none of them...
so until some of the 30yr old guys will die because they were on gear at the age of 19, i find it hard to belive.