So are we just gonna blindly believe doing a pct is any better than a blast & cruise?

**bigsiv** · 08-26-2012, 02:14 AM

I've asked the same question before but the vets on this site have all the info in pct and the scientific knowledge to back it up. Pct IS needed to restore our natural test production so there is no long term damage to our Hpta. It is a good question to ask but the answers to it make sense

**bigsiv** · 08-26-2012, 03:21 AM

Ha ha ha read swiftos thread on pct

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-26-2012, 03:46 AM

It depends how long you want to be shutdown naturally. If you just straight up don't care about your natural test production through your testes then blast and cruise all you want even know it's not recommended unless you are planning to become a serious bodybuilder and run gear all year long. Even then, if you run gear for a year plus the more difficult it is going to be for you to recover and get everything back to natural.

PCT is ment for individuals who want to run short or prolonged cycles then get back to there natural way of order. Nobody wants to be shutdown there whole life. Most people on this board are not pro bodybuilders or compete they just want to run cycles recreationally.

I'm having difficulty understanding what you're trying to point out?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-26-2012, 10:01 AM

all the drugs taken for pct are taken for a much shorter period of time and lower dosages then to treat cancer patients.
2nd being on steroids long term has side effect besides hpta. Ask any guy on trt. It raises cholesterol, possible prostate issues. raises rbc. It not the side effects you can feel. it is def better to pct and take time off if you can

**Lemonada8** · 08-26-2012, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by rasc170

How do we really know a pct is actually better for general health over a blast and cruise? From a logical view point a pct requires drugs made for women and cancer patients. Not to mentional the pyschological/emotional highs/lows. On the other hand you got a blast and cruise where you're putting a hormone your body naturally makes. I'm not so convinced a pct is the way to go.

that statement shows that you dont understand the physiology behind AAS and PCT.

And, blast/cruise & TRT is a LIFELONG thing, while PCT is getting your body back to producing hormone naturally.

There is alot of good PCT info on this site... I suggest reading some of it. swifto's is a good place to start ( although we have our disagreements on the efficacy of protocols but thats just a difference in opinion)

**Chris J** · 08-26-2012, 02:34 PM

coming from someone who has been on higher that TRT doses for about two years I can honestly say it has caused emmotional problems for me too. Major relationship probs, erectile probs, the list goes on. The first year was great from what I remember. But now 750 mgs of sust just feel like the norm. Nothing makes me happy anymore. Sex isnt even nearly as exciting as it was. Bouts of depression and anger are not uncommon. Everyone is effected differently, but I am fairly certain that you will experience similar probs if you dont cycle off. These mental changes must have happened slowly and I didnt realize it..or maybe just denied it. My wife kept saying I dont like the person you have become. I denied I was any different for a long time. I even blamed her and those around me. All I know is more harm than good came for staying on the stuff at high doses. Thats just my opinion though. Take it or leave it

**Times Roman** · 08-26-2012, 02:49 PM

most blokes, when they cycle, WANT their natty test levels to return to normal as soon as possible. it protects their testicular size, it protects their ability to reproduce, and it protects their longterm viability to produce testosterone .

most blokes want to be able to produce their own test, naturally.

then there are older bulls like me, that are older, natty test levels are below the normal range, have fathered all the children they will ever father, and don't give a shit if their testes don't produce sperm, and are smaller, because his woman don't mind either. for us, we use replacement therapy.

but for you, (31, right?) who may decide to father (more) children later, needs to be reproductively healthy, and probably generates decent natty test levels, then there is no need for you to undergo "replacement therapy". For your group, PCT makes sense.

Protect your testes, protect your reproductive health, and protect your ability to produce testosterone naturally - PCT is right for you.

Us Older bulls, TRT is right for us.

When you get to my age in 20 years, then maybe TRT will be right for you.

Does this make sense?

**kmms** · 08-26-2012, 10:42 PM

Originally Posted by Chris J

coming from someone who has been on higher that TRT doses for about two years I can honestly say it has caused emmotional problems for me too. Major relationship probs, erectile probs, the list goes on. The first year was great from what I remember. But now 750 mgs of sust just feel like the norm. Nothing makes me happy anymore. Sex isnt even nearly as exciting as it was. Bouts of depression and anger are not uncommon. Everyone is effected differently, but I am fairly certain that you will experience similar probs if you dont cycle off. These mental changes must have happened slowly and I didnt realize it..or maybe just denied it. My wife kept saying I dont like the person you have become. I denied I was any different for a long time. I even blamed her and those around me. All I know is more harm than good came for staying on the stuff at high doses. Thats just my opinion though. Take it or leave it

refreshingly honest. i hope some of the young adults that read these threads take an extra moment to reflect on your experience.

**kmms** · 08-26-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

most blokes, when they cycle, WANT their natty test levels to return to normal as soon as possible. it protects their testicular size, it protects their ability to reproduce, and it protects their longterm viability to produce testosterone .

most blokes want to be able to produce their own test, naturally.

then there are older bulls like me, that are older, natty test levels are below the normal range, have fathered all the children they will ever father, and don't give a shit if their testes don't produce sperm, and are smaller, because his woman don't mind either. for us, we use replacement therapy.

but for you, (31, right?) who may decide to father (more) children later, needs to be reproductively healthy, and probably generates decent natty test levels, then there is no need for you to undergo "replacement therapy". For your group, PCT makes sense.

Protect your testes, protect your reproductive health, and protect your ability to produce testosterone naturally - PCT is right for you.

Us Older bulls, TRT is right for us.

When you get to my age in 20 years, then maybe TRT will be right for you.

Does this make sense?

makes sense to me. at 42 i'm somewhere in the middle of these groups but decidedly in the pct camp for the foreseeable future.

**stevelifts** · 08-27-2012, 11:54 AM

I dont know, being new to this and recently doing a lot of reading about pct it make a lot of sense to me to do them.

**Roid_Rookie** · 08-27-2012, 12:23 PM

I am new to all of this too, but from what little I have read so far, PCT seems the way to go. I am 48yrs old and don't plan on fathering any more children either, but I am interested in PCT.

What is the most commonly used PCT regime?
What do you all typically take and how much and for what duration of time?

**swm1972** · 08-27-2012, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by Chris J

coming from someone who has been on higher that TRT doses for about two years I can honestly say it has caused emmotional problems for me too. Major relationship probs, erectile probs, the list goes on. The first year was great from what I remember. But now 750 mgs of sust just feel like the norm. Nothing makes me happy anymore. Sex isnt even nearly as exciting as it was. Bouts of depression and anger are not uncommon. Everyone is effected differently, but I am fairly certain that you will experience similar probs if you dont cycle off. These mental changes must have happened slowly and I didnt realize it..or maybe just denied it. My wife kept saying I dont like the person you have become. I denied I was any different for a long time. I even blamed her and those around me. All I know is more harm than good came for staying on the stuff at high doses. Thats just my opinion though. Take it or leave it

I guess that just illustrates the differences between users. Some get deca dick, some don't. You have these issues and I had none. I was above a gram a week just in testosterone (before factoring in all the other compounds) for over three years. At times i went over 2.5 grams a week in testosterone. I rarely cycle today and had no problem once I dropped back to 150 mg/ week.

**songdog** · 08-27-2012, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

that statement shows that you dont understand the physiology behind AAS and PCT.

And, blast/cruise & TRT is a LIFELONG thing, while PCT is getting your body back to producing hormone naturally.

There is alot of good PCT info on this site... I suggest reading some of it. swifto's is a good place to start ( although we have our disagreements on the efficacy of protocols but thats just a difference in opinion)

I agree with the Lemonade Man 100%