3rd cycle, no signifigant gains, no appettite, no energy!?!?

**snakeup** · 08-27-2012, 01:33 PM

Hi I have been actively involved in bodybuilding for 4 years. I normally go 6months on 6months off and have never ran into problems re-gaining. End of last cycle I was 6'2 209lbs 12% bodyfat and was running 1000mg test cyp/week (all cycle), 50mg dbol /daily (4 weeks on and 4 off all cycle), and 700mg tren a/week (8 weeks on and 8 off all cycle). I am currently running same doses except have dropped my tren down to 400mg/week. I am on week 6 and havent seen the dramatic gains/strength increase I am used to, as a matter of fact I seem to have less energy than ever and am relying on pre-workout supps to get me through my short burst workouts. Also appetite has been close to non existitent, I used to eat 6-7 meals/daily+protien 3x/daily, now I have trouble finishing any meal and am forcing down every bit of food/protein drinks I can without puking!... Anyone have any idea what could possibly be going on?? Appreciate any help or suggestions.

**AXx** · 08-27-2012, 01:37 PM

Welcome to the board, our nutrition section might be a little better for this question. Those guys are awesome. Enjoy your stay and hope all goes well for you.

**MickeyKnox** · 08-27-2012, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by snakeup

Hi I have been actively involved in bodybuilding for 4 years. I normally go 6months on 6months off and have never ran into problems re-gaining. End of last cycle I was 6'2 209lbs 12% bodyfat and was running 1000mg test cyp/week (all cycle), 50mg dbol/daily (4 weeks on and 4 off all cycle), and 700mg tren a/week (8 weeks on and 8 off all cycle). I am currently running same doses except have dropped my tren down to 400mg/week. I am on week 6 and havent seen the dramatic gains/strength increase I am used to, as a matter of fact I seem to have less energy than ever and am relying on pre-workout supps to get me through my short burst workouts. Also appetite has been close to non existitent, I used to eat 6-7 meals/daily+protien 3x/daily, now I have trouble finishing any meal and am forcing down every bit of food/protein drinks I can without puking!... Anyone have any idea what could possibly be going on?? Appreciate any help or suggestions.

this is your third cycle and you "normally" run cycles like this?? no idea on your eating issues but likely won't be easy figuring it out if this is what you did for a second cycle. that's a lot of gear and a long cycle for a new AAS user. hope you get it straightened out. good luck.

welcome to the board.

**greenwell001** · 08-27-2012, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by snakeup

Hi I have been actively involved in bodybuilding for 4 years. I normally go 6months on 6months off and have never ran into problems re-gaining. End of last cycle I was 6'2 209lbs 12% bodyfat and was running 1000mg test cyp/week (all cycle), 50mg dbol/daily (4 weeks on and 4 off all cycle), and 700mg tren a/week (8 weeks on and 8 off all cycle). I am currently running same doses except have dropped my tren down to 400mg/week. I am on week 6 and havent seen the dramatic gains/strength increase I am used to, as a matter of fact I seem to have less energy than ever and am relying on pre-workout supps to get me through my short burst workouts. Also appetite has been close to non existitent, I used to eat 6-7 meals/daily+protien 3x/daily, now I have trouble finishing any meal and am forcing down every bit of food/protein drinks I can without puking!... Anyone have any idea what could possibly be going on?? Appreciate any help or suggestions.

what were your stats before you cycled? 2 and a half cycles in and you are only ar 209? You might be able to benifit from the nutrition section. Ever think that your gear might be bunk?

**stpete** · 08-27-2012, 07:51 PM

I think you should stop and run a PCT. Wait proper time after PCT and get blood work. You're 23 years old and have ran too much AAS. That's the best advice i can give.

**songdog** · 08-27-2012, 07:52 PM

You are only 23 on your 3rd cycle and you are running doses like you are a pro.Have you had any blood work done? Your problem could be there.

**warmouth** · 08-27-2012, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by stpete

I think you should stop and run a PCT. Wait proper time after PCT and get blood work. You're 23 years old and have ran too much AAS. That's the best advice i can give.

And this is the only advice you need!

**Metalject** · 08-27-2012, 09:07 PM

It sounds like your gear may be a little on the crappy side. It's very possible to use gear fro a UGL and it work great and then one day the stuff just turns to garbage. It shouldn't matter how many cycles you've done, if the gear is good you should be noticing improvements. It also sounds like your test levels may be low...when mine get low my energy is zapped and I have a very hard time eating. Obviously your test levels shouldn't be low based on what you're doing, but this would tend to support that the gear is not all it could be. Anyway, just a thought.

**Papa-pwn** · 08-27-2012, 09:17 PM

Good lord 3 cycles like that and you're under 210 at that height? Man, either your stuff is crap or each of those 6 meals consist of a chicken nugget and an apple

**never2big** · 08-27-2012, 10:37 PM

I run very similar cycle and always have great gains, the only things that i add to my cycle are 500mg of eq and 5IU of GH... also i add Anadrol if i want extra strength. It was really hard to find a good domestic source for this much gear.

**swm1972** · 08-28-2012, 05:40 AM

I agree with others, something is missing from your routine if you are only 209lbs @ 6'2". At 5'10" I was 205-210 lean before I touched gear. Three cycles in I was 240-245lbs. At your height something is not right within your regimen. Diet, workout, gear. In that order of importance. Gear is the smallest piece of the puzzle. It seems like you put a lot of effort into the gear portion of the equation. I truly doubt your dietary intake and workout routine are keeping up with your gear usage. If they were on par with the levels you run gear at you'd be huge right now.

Too many people put way to much emphasis on the smallest piece of the puzzle and not enough where it truly matters. You don't grow in the gym. Gear only creates a better environment for growth. The kitchen and what we do in it is what separates those that achieve their goals and those that don't.