New to this thing. help me out bros

**steroidman** · 08-31-2012, 03:33 PM

Basically i'm 20 145, have been for about 6 months of lifting. strenght has increased tremendously, but my weight remains the same.
so now im here

anyways there's this hormone booster at gnc called king fisher high T. is it any good?

also is a product like that or a growth hormone product require estrogen blockers?

**Ashop** · 08-31-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

Basically i'm 20 145, have been for about 6 months of lifting. strenght has increased tremendously, but my weight remains the same.
so now im here

anyways there's this hormone booster at gnc called king fisher high T. is it any good?

also is a product like that or a growth hormone product require estrogen blockers?

At 20 you dont need anything but a solid diet,,training and rest program. If you spend money
get yourself a quality whey supplement and perhaps some creatine if you wish. Your natural
hormone levels at 20 yrs old are probably roaring high.

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-31-2012, 03:39 PM

How tall are you? at 145lbs I can confidently say that your knowledge on nutrition and dieting is little to none. I recommend you hit the diet section!

**steroidman** · 08-31-2012, 03:41 PM

yes i played football in highschool, i was clean except for some muscle milk occasionally.

but after that i stopped working out for a good 3 years. i just need alittle boost, as now i am in college, and i've got a bunch of juiced up meat heads as competition over the ladies. i'd realistically only cycle maybe once or twice a year, but i want to do it right

**steroidman** · 08-31-2012, 03:43 PM

diets pretty self explanatory. eat more meat than fruits and vegetables, but fruits and vegetables combined should be about the saem as meat. and carbs rule overall.

**steroidman** · 08-31-2012, 03:43 PM

and i'm 5'10 or 5'11

**BobTheBodyBuilder** · 08-31-2012, 03:54 PM

Hey bud welcome to the forums. Personally I wouldn't mess around with Pro hormones or growth hormones.

Lift naturally for a couple more years, and do as much research on steroids as you can until then.

Once you have gained a decent amount of muscle naturally, you will have all the knowledge needed to start a "proper" cycle.

**stpete** · 08-31-2012, 04:03 PM

Don't mean to sound like a broken record but those guys are right. Get yourself a good diet together and train right. You will get gains but you have to eat right. And those pro hormones are a waste of money. The only things i would suggest is creatine and protein powder for right now.

**steroidman** · 08-31-2012, 04:08 PM

well all i know so far is if you take hgh or test, you sould stack it with estrogen blocker to avoid moobies
and obvioulsy you cycle off. and stuff like that

**Times Roman** · 08-31-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

Basically i'm 20 145, have been for about 6 months of lifting. strenght has increased tremendously, but my weight remains the same.
so now im here

anyways there's this hormone booster at gnc called king fisher high T. is it any good?

also is a product like that or a growth hormone product require estrogen blockers?

Welcome to the board mate!

Well, you would like to gain some good old fashioned lean body mass? The best way to do that is to seriously up your caloric intake and at the same time spend some serious time in the gym 5x a week. You can only gain weight by eating more calories than you expend. But when you up your calories, if you want to avoid much of the fat, then you need to make sure you eat cleanly. This is no easy task! 95% of all the newbs that come here really do not understand this process of "eating cleanly". Most think that by avoiding big macks and tequila and bacon and chocolate sundaes, then they are g2g. but when it comes to picking the right foods to eat, most are at a loss.

By ignoring this concept, you CAN take steroids and gain some weight. But when you come off steroids, the weight will come off as well. (And by the way, you body will not be ready for AAS until your mid twenties when your hormonal system is fully mature). So in order to get serious, and put on some muscle, you need to do some learning on how to do it.

First of all, let's learn the basics about nutrition as it relates to bodybuilding.

Here is some general reading. Keep in mind, some of this is a "rule of thumb" type thing.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...et-Information

Next, let's learn about macro nutrients (protein/carbs/fat + calories) as they relate to the foods you eat:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nutrient-Chart

Next, let's take a look at a concept known as total daily energy expenditure (TDEE). Otherwise known as "how many calories I burn in a day":
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...gy-Expenditure
this will show you how to calculate your TDEE. this is important, as it will generally tell you how many "break even" calories you need per day just to maintian weight.

The next block of reading is designed to show you how to gain weight, especially if it is a difficult thing for you to do:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-sample-diet...

and:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight-READ-THIS!!!

by now, you should have a general idea of what is going on with nutrition. let me throw one more thing your way. it is called the glycemic value of food. the higher the value, the quicker it converts to sugar. What we want when it comes to carbs, is for those carbs to convert to sugar as slowly as possible. this link will alllow you to look up the GV (glycemic value) of any food:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/

therefore, the lower the value, the more inclined we are to eat it. you can read up more on the theory of the GV and how it correlates to sugar later, as that is more of an intermediate concept.

Ideally, to gain weight, you should be 500, preferably 1000 calories above your TDEE. At 1000 cals/day above TDEE, you will pick up SOME body fat. this is unavoidable, but is also the quickest way to pick up muscle. Later on, you can learn to cut before summer next year so you can looked ripped. But for now, let's concentrate on bulking.

We're almost done, so bear with me.

the next thing you need to do is go here
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM

and find someone else's diet and maybe use that as a template, so you can create your own. For now, just use 40/40/20 as your macro split. You can fine tune it later. Once you create your own diet plan, i need you to post it in the above section where you found the first diet, then create a new thread and post it. Make sure you include your macros per meal, and total macros per day. And include your tdee so we can see you are 1000 cals above your break point. There are many individuals there that spend alot of time helping others work with their diets and showing them how to improve it.

Here are some basic supplements you may consider investing in
Whey protein powder
multivitamin
creatine mono
fish oil

OK mate. I think this is more than you asked for. Get this done, and if you follow this plan, you could easily pack on 20 pounds of exrtra muscle by spring break next year.

Good luck!

---Roman

**songdog** · 08-31-2012, 05:23 PM

I think they were talking about diet not stacking.Beacuse if you want to start talking about stacking at your age.We should cover ED 1st beacuse women love to talk about a guy who cant get it up.

**fit2bOld** · 08-31-2012, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

I think they were talking about diet not stacking.Beacuse if you want to start talking about stacking at your age.We should cover ED 1st beacuse women love to talk about a guy who cant get it up.

Oh yeah they love that guy with the broke dick!!!!

**Lunk1** · 08-31-2012, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Welcome to the board mate!

Well, you would like to gain some good old fashioned lean body mass? The best way to do that is to seriously up your caloric intake and at the same time spend some serious time in the gym 5x a week. You can only gain weight by eating more calories than you expend. But when you up your calories, if you want to avoid much of the fat, then you need to make sure you eat cleanly. This is no easy task! 95% of all the newbs that come here really do not understand this process of "eating cleanly". Most think that by avoiding big macks and tequila and bacon and chocolate sundaes, then they are g2g. but when it comes to picking the right foods to eat, most are at a loss.

By ignoring this concept, you CAN take steroids and gain some weight. But when you come off steroids, the weight will come off as well. (And by the way, you body will not be ready for AAS until your mid twenties when your hormonal system is fully mature). So in order to get serious, and put on some muscle, you need to do some learning on how to do it.

First of all, let's learn the basics about nutrition as it relates to bodybuilding.

Here is some general reading. Keep in mind, some of this is a "rule of thumb" type thing.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...et-Information

Next, let's learn about macro nutrients (protein/carbs/fat + calories) as they relate to the foods you eat:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nutrient-Chart

Next, let's take a look at a concept known as total daily energy expenditure (TDEE). Otherwise known as "how many calories I burn in a day":
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...gy-Expenditure
this will show you how to calculate your TDEE. this is important, as it will generally tell you how many "break even" calories you need per day just to maintian weight.

The next block of reading is designed to show you how to gain weight, especially if it is a difficult thing for you to do:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-sample-diet...

and:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight-READ-THIS!!!

by now, you should have a general idea of what is going on with nutrition. let me throw one more thing your way. it is called the glycemic value of food. the higher the value, the quicker it converts to sugar. What we want when it comes to carbs, is for those carbs to convert to sugar as slowly as possible. this link will alllow you to look up the GV (glycemic value) of any food:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/

therefore, the lower the value, the more inclined we are to eat it. you can read up more on the theory of the GV and how it correlates to sugar later, as that is more of an intermediate concept.

Ideally, to gain weight, you should be 500, preferably 1000 calories above your TDEE. At 1000 cals/day above TDEE, you will pick up SOME body fat. this is unavoidable, but is also the quickest way to pick up muscle. Later on, you can learn to cut before summer next year so you can looked ripped. But for now, let's concentrate on bulking.

We're almost done, so bear with me.

the next thing you need to do is go here
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM

and find someone else's diet and maybe use that as a template, so you can create your own. For now, just use 40/40/20 as your macro split. You can fine tune it later. Once you create your own diet plan, i need you to post it in the above section where you found the first diet, then create a new thread and post it. Make sure you include your macros per meal, and total macros per day. And include your tdee so we can see you are 1000 cals above your break point. There are many individuals there that spend alot of time helping others work with their diets and showing them how to improve it.

Here are some basic supplements you may consider investing in
Whey protein powder
multivitamin
creatine mono
fish oil

OK mate. I think this is more than you asked for. Get this done, and if you follow this plan, you could easily pack on 20 pounds of exrtra muscle by spring break next year.

Good luck!

---Roman

Holy $hi!! TR..I hope you have this saved some where so that you can copy and paste otherwise you may be accused of being a bit of an advise over achiever lol. Listen to him though OP...he took alot of time to look out for your health.

Also 6 months in the gym and you are looking for a shortcut. C'mon! You want those chicks the juice heads are gettin? Just have a little swagger bro! Learn to spit some game at em! Baffle em with your brilliance and if all that fails...get em piss drunk, always used to work for me

**havanakid** · 08-31-2012, 06:25 PM

Excellent advise T.R as usual...two thumbs up bro.

**denverpride** · 08-31-2012, 09:10 PM

What TR said should be a "must read" to newbs. Even if he is a Raiders fan.

**Lunk1** · 08-31-2012, 09:23 PM

I just copied it to a file and will be handing it out like candy at Halloween. He should have copywrited it lol.

**greenwell001** · 08-31-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

Welcome to the board mate!

Well, you would like to gain some good old fashioned lean body mass? The best way to do that is to seriously up your caloric intake and at the same time spend some serious time in the gym 5x a week. You can only gain weight by eating more calories than you expend. But when you up your calories, if you want to avoid much of the fat, then you need to make sure you eat cleanly. This is no easy task! 95% of all the newbs that come here really do not understand this process of "eating cleanly". Most think that by avoiding big macks and tequila and bacon and chocolate sundaes, then they are g2g. but when it comes to picking the right foods to eat, most are at a loss.

By ignoring this concept, you CAN take steroids and gain some weight. But when you come off steroids, the weight will come off as well. (And by the way, you body will not be ready for AAS until your mid twenties when your hormonal system is fully mature). So in order to get serious, and put on some muscle, you need to do some learning on how to do it.

First of all, let's learn the basics about nutrition as it relates to bodybuilding.

Here is some general reading. Keep in mind, some of this is a "rule of thumb" type thing.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...et-Information

Next, let's learn about macro nutrients (protein/carbs/fat + calories) as they relate to the foods you eat:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nutrient-Chart

Next, let's take a look at a concept known as total daily energy expenditure (TDEE). Otherwise known as "how many calories I burn in a day":
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...gy-Expenditure
this will show you how to calculate your TDEE. this is important, as it will generally tell you how many "break even" calories you need per day just to maintian weight.

The next block of reading is designed to show you how to gain weight, especially if it is a difficult thing for you to do:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-sample-diet...

and:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ight-READ-THIS!!!

by now, you should have a general idea of what is going on with nutrition. let me throw one more thing your way. it is called the glycemic value of food. the higher the value, the quicker it converts to sugar. What we want when it comes to carbs, is for those carbs to convert to sugar as slowly as possible. this link will alllow you to look up the GV (glycemic value) of any food:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/

therefore, the lower the value, the more inclined we are to eat it. you can read up more on the theory of the GV and how it correlates to sugar later, as that is more of an intermediate concept.

Ideally, to gain weight, you should be 500, preferably 1000 calories above your TDEE. At 1000 cals/day above TDEE, you will pick up SOME body fat. this is unavoidable, but is also the quickest way to pick up muscle. Later on, you can learn to cut before summer next year so you can looked ripped. But for now, let's concentrate on bulking.

We're almost done, so bear with me.

the next thing you need to do is go here
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM

and find someone else's diet and maybe use that as a template, so you can create your own. For now, just use 40/40/20 as your macro split. You can fine tune it later. Once you create your own diet plan, i need you to post it in the above section where you found the first diet, then create a new thread and post it. Make sure you include your macros per meal, and total macros per day. And include your tdee so we can see you are 1000 cals above your break point. There are many individuals there that spend alot of time helping others work with their diets and showing them how to improve it.

Here are some basic supplements you may consider investing in
Whey protein powder
multivitamin
creatine mono
fish oil

OK mate. I think this is more than you asked for. Get this done, and if you follow this plan, you could easily pack on 20 pounds of exrtra muscle by spring break next year.

Good luck!

---Roman

This should be a sticky for young'ns that want to jump the gun. Good work TR

**measuretwicecutonce** · 08-31-2012, 09:33 PM

ya dude, your way too young to supplement with steroids . You can be looking at some serious health issues if you start at your age. what you need to do is find a BMR calculator, just google it, n this will tell you how many calories you need to stay where you're at. and then to grow you should be eating 500-1000 calories MORE. eating 5-6 times a day, clean, etc. start lifting heavier, lower reps, more sets.

check out bodybuildingDOTcom. they have ALOT of GREAT articles about nutrition, n lifting, n just go at it.

**steroidman** · 09-05-2012, 10:12 PM

WOW i've got some home work cut out for me lol

coincidently i just started taking muscle milk, cell tech hardcore, fish oil, flax oil, multi, and calcium sups.

i don't take all the pills all at once. i space it out over the day. my endurance has spiked thro the roof. I took cell tech in highschool, and i don't know why i didn't take it right from the get go when i got back on the saddle. idk why cell tech gets so much negative hype, the shit works wonders

**steroidman** · 09-05-2012, 10:12 PM

WOW i've got some home work cut out for me lol

coincidently i just started taking muscle milk, cell tech hardcore, fish oil, flax oil, multi, and calcium sups.

i don't take all the pills all at once. i space it out over the day. my endurance has spiked thro the roof. I took cell tech in highschool, and i don't know why i didn't take it right from the get go when i got back on the saddle. idk why cell tech gets so much negative hype, the shit works wonders

**MuscleInk** · 09-05-2012, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by steroidman

WOW i've got some home work cut out for me lol

coincidently i just started taking muscle milk, cell tech hardcore, fish oil, flax oil, multi, and calcium sups.

i don't take all the pills all at once. i space it out over the day. my endurance has spiked thro the roof. I took cell tech in highschool, and i don't know why i didn't take it right from the get go when i got back on the saddle. idk why cell tech gets so much negative hype, the shit works wonders

Most of the protein drinks are crap. Loaded with sugar to spike insulin and give you FAT mass. MuscleMilk is garbage. As a general rule, the better the taste, the more useless it is.

You want to gain, real food is the best way.

**abstetic** · 09-05-2012, 10:27 PM

I like carnivor but it's only 10% of my daily protein intake

**that guy1234** · 09-06-2012, 11:20 AM

Man I wish I was 20 and 145. That would be the shit!!!!!

For real, eat, eat, eat, and eat some more. When your full, jerk off, work out, jerk off again, then eat some more. Just keep doing that routine and you will grow a ton. (I didn't recommend to have lots of sex because I don't want to be the one who tells you to go get STD's)

**Shsm** · 09-06-2012, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by steroidman

WOW i've got some home work cut out for me lol

coincidently i just started taking muscle milk, cell tech hardcore, fish oil, flax oil, multi, and calcium sups.

i don't take all the pills all at once. i space it out over the day. my endurance has spiked thro the roof. I took cell tech in highschool, and i don't know why i didn't take it right from the get go when i got back on the saddle. idk why cell tech gets so much negative hype, the shit works wonders

We're too late...the beast has consumed him