Trying to put together a big cycle

[gixxerboy1]

Glad to see you make the right decision

[beeasy1689]

Yeah, i mean it sounds like your over the idea of doing that cycle now, and hopefully the idea of doing ANYTHING till your of age and healthy. But if you want to learn about this stuff, its not hard to find the information...its all here, you just have to look for it and read about it.

[GreMos]

Yeah, i mean it sounds like your over the idea of doing that cycle now, and hopefully the idea of doing ANYTHING till your of age and healthy. But if you want to learn about this stuff, its not hard to find the information...its all here, you just have to look for it and read about it.

I will.. I'm extraordinarily insulin resistant so I'm trying to find something about that on here to help me out. And question... What is "of age" ?

[gixxerboy1]

Im diabetic. Loosing some weight and a better diet will help your insulin resistant. I would bet its all weight related

[human project]

5'11"
290 lbs
Lots of fat but.. Well you'll judge when I finally upload a pic
21" arms
54" chest
30" upper leg (quad/ham wrap)
Last I checked my BMI was 25-30%

Dont know what else to say. I'm not worried about 'big jumps' as it is.

Post your pics bro. 21" arms and 22 years old?? Who gives a shit what ppl think or what your bf % is.... If your under 20% I say **** it I like your cycle... I just started to realize stacking multiple compounds adding up to two or three grams gives you no where near the results a gram and a half of test will give you. Your at 1,350 I guess??

IMHO!!! Get as big as possible and then cut. With your numbers and cycle experience "as long as your bf Is decent" I don't see why you couldn't be a national level competitor in a year.

[human project]

Not sure where I post what on his forum but I'll start with guessing here. Anyway, I'm looking at firing together a good 12 week cycle here soon. Looking for opinions as I've been on test for along time now but never really loaded up. Mostly I do 500mg of Cyp a week for 12-14 weeks but I have experimented with stacking sustanon and other various things in there. I'm not a fan of orals due to the liver toxicity thing. So I only take oral ancillaries and no oral anabolics.

I'm not used to this whole steroid forum yet (first post) but I notice everyone really details there cycle for everyone to see so.. For the best responses I'll do that too. So I'm thinking :
-100mg Prop EOD for duration of cycle (mostly for its Short ester)
-1000mg/wk Test Cypionate
-Adex .25-.5 a day or as needed
-Nolva (trying for pharm grade) PCT
-Clen t3 for a month after 12 week cycle along with 40 mg nolva and low doses of Cyp to keep anabolic while I try to chisel down a bit.

Sorry if that's all over the place. I was thinking about adding in deca but the thought of deca-dic terrifies me.. Advice? And any other suggestions on what I should stack (I've never really stacked before) with it and well.. The safety part (ancillaries) would be nice to get opinions on.

Any info would be fantastic. I've achieved amazing results with very low doses and simple cycles as of yet so I figured getting a good stack will give me that extra poundage I want before I hop to leaning.

My diets great. 6oz chicken and broccoli every 2.5-3 hours. I grind up and drink oats in water for my carb source or take waixy maize post workout. Just a tad on that so you know where I stand nutrition wise

Why not use the clen and t3 on cycle?? Sounds like you wouldent mind burning a little bf??? I personally would never use t3 without an anabolic due to muscle loss... That being said I always take clen post cycle for blocking cortisol.

[GreMos]

Post your pics bro. 21" arms and 22 years old?? Who gives a shit what ppl think or what your bf % is.... If your under 20% I say **** it I like your cycle... I just started to realize stacking multiple compounds adding up to two or three grams gives you no where near the results a gram and a half of test will give you. Your at 1,350 I guess??

IMHO!!! Get as big as possible and then cut. With your numbers and cycle experience "as long as your bf Is decent" I don't see why you couldn't be a national level competitor in a year.

I like the enthusiasm Haha. I definitely DO need to shred a lot of weight. I don't want to be on this constant diet for months on end trying to dummy 40-60lbs in one shot.. And it's hard for me to sit there and watch the catabolism of dieting eat away at a bit of size over time.

I've got decisions to make that's for sure. The more educated they are the better anyway. I'm going to wait and see what my doctor has to say about my health situation then go from there.

No questions asked I need help dieting but everyone's telling me not to use Clen or t3 of with everything else on the market. Trust me.. A good friend from mu small hometown is a WBFF pro and even HIS dieting strategy barely works on me. Bodies such a slut for weightloss there isn't very much I HAVENT tried.

Anyway, ramblin' on. Plan from now is to see how successfull I can be at another leaning out attempt then I'll go from there. Best I can do!

[human project]

Unless I'm missing the post I only see one pic and there's no way for me to judge you being over 20%... How about you find somewhere to get a hydrostatic bf test and dr to give you a full panel blood work and post everything... Imho Start with a little fasted morning cardio and clean up your diet a bit for a few weeks and I highly doubt you'll be over 20% if you even are now.

[GreMos]

Unless I'm missing the post I only see one pic and there's no way for me to judge you being over 20%... How about you find somewhere to get a hydrostatic bf test and dr to give you a full panel blood work and post everything... Imho Start with a little fasted morning cardio and clean up your diet a bit for a few weeks and I highly doubt you'll be over 20% if you even are now.

Oh I definitely am.. I'd say I'm in the 30-40 range ATM. I'm not one for picture whoring I was reluctant enough to put that one up.

And I'll see where and if I can make that available too me... I live in a town of 13k people I highly doubt there's any institution or even the hospital has one of those. I'll be traveling for sure.

So far I'm trying to figure out how and where to clean up my diet because I literally already run on next to no carbs and still put on muscle (genetics I guess) but in turn for that I CANNOT lose the fat. I have a whet shake and waixy maize for breakfast. Every single meal except one is chicken and broccoli. Post workout I have a protein shake and ground-watered-oats.

As for cardio. That's as simple as me downing tons of BCAA's and doing that whole fasted cardio thing so I'm not worried. Just the discipline is all I need. It's my bodies reaction to carbs is my problem. That or I'm going to become one of those "Ohhhh my thyroid" people because I cant honestly think of anything else.

[human project]

Oh I definitely am.. I'd say I'm in the 30-40 range ATM. I'm not one for picture whoring I was reluctant enough to put that one up.

And I'll see where and if I can make that available too me... I live in a town of 13k people I highly doubt there's any institution or even the hospital has one of those. I'll be traveling for sure.

So far I'm trying to figure out how and where to clean up my diet because I literally already run on next to no carbs and still put on muscle (genetics I guess) but in turn for that I CANNOT lose the fat. I have a whet shake and waixy maize for breakfast. Every single meal except one is chicken and broccoli. Post workout I have a protein shake and ground-watered-oats.

As for cardio. That's as simple as me downing tons of BCAA's and doing that whole fasted cardio thing so I'm not worried. Just the discipline is all I need. It's my bodies reaction to carbs is my problem. That or I'm going to become one of those "Ohhhh my thyroid" people because I cant honestly think of anything else.

Post your exact diet

[GreMos]

I work shift work so I'm usually up at 4 generally so it's always a shake for breakfast because I don't have much time for anything else. And on the other days it's night shifts like right now which ****s everything.

Breakfast@0400 --Two scoops 100%optimum nutrition gold standard whey in exactly 1 cup of soy milk with one scoop of waixy maize.

Meal 2 straight through to 5 is --- 6oz chicken and broccoli

Meal 2 and 4 have 25g almonds

Last meal is 6oz extra lean ground beef dried out and dropped out

Post workout is The same as breakfast and very next meal following PW I will through in 60g of ground oats.

I think thats about it.. Have to excuse me it's 5:30 am and I'm getting off work in 5 min haha

[Tasmaniac]

I had a good mate who did almost everything the same as you (from what I've read). He died at age 42..

[GreMos]

I had a good mate who did almost everything the same as you. He died at age 42

Did what ? I didn't do anything actually. Few cycles when I was younger and a few what.. Last year or whatever?

And may he rest in peace.

[slimshady01]

Gremos man you got a awesome thick base. I wish i had half your mass. Im only 180lbs but i stay lean and my diet is 100%. If you just got your diet down and leaned up you would look great without gear. IMO take the next few years and get your training diet and cardio on point then if you want to cycle then go for it.

[human project]

I work shift work so I'm usually up at 4 generally so it's always a shake for breakfast because I don't have much time for anything else. And on the other days it's night shifts like right now which ****s everything.

Breakfast@0400 --Two scoops 100%optimum nutrition gold standard whey in exactly 1 cup of soy milk with one scoop of waixy maize.

Meal 2 straight through to 5 is --- 6oz chicken and broccoli

Meal 2 and 4 have 25g almonds

Last meal is 6oz extra lean ground beef dried out and dropped out

Post workout is The same as breakfast and very next meal following PW I will through in 60g of ground oats.

I think thats about it.. Have to excuse me it's 5:30 am and I'm getting off work in 5 min haha

That may be too lean bro... Try hitting 30-40 grams of fat and throw in another carb protein meal. Your protein is also wayyy too low. Maybe your not losing any becomes your metabolism is shut down. Even when dieting my hardest I never drop below 3,500 cals. I really like 40min fasted cardio in the am and then doin 2 more sessions throughout the day that are at least 20min each. Really helps speed up my overall metabolism. Each session I try to of not ate'n within two hours and drink bcaa's. 10-20 grams.

[Tasmaniac]

And may he rest in peace.

Thanks mate. You obviously are very gifted in the physical department. Just like my mate. I have no doubt he could have been Mr Australia or possibly more. He just made the wrong decisions. Stay off the gear and follow what the fellas here tell you and you will do well. Good luck!

[hankdiesel]

5'11"
290 lbs
Lots of fat but.. Well you'll judge when I finally upload a pic
21" arms
54" chest
30" upper leg (quad/ham wrap)
Last I checked my BMI was 25-30%

Dont know what else to say. I'm not worried about 'big jumps' as it is.

By your own admission you are fat. How did that happen when you eat nothing but chicken and broccoli? Amazing! I hope this doesn't happen the next time I diet for a show. I will be screwed!

[fit2bOld]

A few small cycles is still using regardless. Humanproject is giving you bad info and justifying his own crap. Listen to the Vets and experienced guys.

[GreMos]

That may be too lean bro... Try hitting 30-40 grams of fat and throw in another carb protein meal. Your protein is also wayyy too low. Maybe your not losing any becomes your metabolism is shut down. Even when dieting my hardest I never drop below 3,500 cals. I really like 40min fasted cardio in the am and then doin 2 more sessions throughout the day that are at least 20min each. Really helps speed up my overall metabolism. Each session I try to of not ate'n within two hours and drink bcaa's. 10-20 grams.

Yeah I'll up my protein. My bodies a mess. My diet was HORRIBLE. Like.. I was in the eat 3 times a day mode, large meals, sometimes go 6-8 hours no meals and I STILL gained mass. Albeit not much buy for the amount of time my body was in a catabolic state it did nothing.

So I re-adjusted with the help of a friend(WBFF pro) and it still hasn't made a difference. I'll re-adjust again!! Thanks

[GreMos]

By your own admission you are fat. How did that happen when you eat nothing but chicken and broccoli? Amazing! I hope this doesn't happen the next time I diet for a show. I will be screwed!

Oh god I was hoping someone could tell me haha. Maybe my woman is injecting my chicken with lard? She DOES hate it when I say I want to lose weight. SABOTAGE.

In all seriousness, I haven't the slightest clue Why my body hates me so much. Best I can do is re-adjust and go full steam ahead with all of your guys help!

[GreMos]

A few small cycles is still using regardless. Humanproject is giving you bad info and justifying his own crap. Listen to the Vets and experienced guys.

Life over limb right? As much as I would LOVE to cycle on and break my dry spell.. From what I learned on the past day id much rather not now. I'm going to go the way of leaning clean and train for another year or two or 3 clean. See where that takes me. The lady will be happy as all can be about that

[gixxerboy1]

you said you may be insulin resistant. That can be a very big reason why you are holding fat. I would screw your gp and go to an endo.

[Scabtree]

I'd just like to expand briefly on the effect that a high bodyfat % has on testosterone , specifically in the department of estrogen.

We already know that a high bodyfat % is associated with all kinds of other undesireable effects (high LDL cholesterol, increased blood pressure, increased strain on the arterial walls, the heart, etc. and i've already mentioned all of these). But what a high bodyfat % also comes with is increased aromatase activity. A lot of people do not realize that although adipose tissue (fat tissue) is not an endocrine gland, it actually serves a role in endocrine function in the body. Aromatase is the enzyme that is responsible for converting testosterone (or any other aromatizable steroid ) into estrogen. Adipose tissue serves as a production and storage center for the aromatase enzyme. So, it stands to reason that the higher bodyfat percentage you have, the more aromatase activity in your body will be prevalent. This means more, FAR more, of any aromatizable androgens you exogenously administer to yourself will be converted into estrogen.

Estrogen production in fat rises as body weight increases and as subjects age. Importantly, adipose tissue-derived estrogens partition fat to subcutaneous and breast tissues, while androgens promote central or visceral fat accumulation. Aromatase activity varies significantly by region, with greater expression in adipose tissue from buttocks and thighs compared to that from abdomen and breasts.(1)

You can be sure that likely well over 50% of the testosterone you are administering to yourself is being wasted, as it is converted into estrogen. Likely before most of it even has an opportunity to do its job in binding to androgen receptors in muscle cells. Now, the problems that arise with increased aromatase activity leading to higher estrogen levels? Well, you can look them up yourself but i'll save you the hassle and just fire off a few: increased risk of gynecomastia (bitch tits), increased water retention and bloating (and therefore leading to ever higher rises in blood pressure), increased risk of prostate cancer (the likelyhood flies into the stratosphere with supraphysiological estrogen levels), and ever more INCREASED fat gain! And these are just a few of the results of high estrogen levels. There are plenty more risks associated with it.

References:
1. The Endocrine Function of Adipose Tissue, Frank Diamond, MD, Division of Pediatric Endocrinology, Diabetes & Metabolism, University of South Florida

My advice would be to listen to Atomini's advice; he won't steer you wrong... You can make remarkable results without AAS right now. You're smart; you must be, you're Canadian. Their are great nutritional and fat-loss posts on this forum, that's what I'd do.

[human project]

A few small cycles is still using regardless. Humanproject is giving you bad info and justifying his own crap. Listen to the Vets and experienced guys.

Just to justify my own crap I'm 267lbs and 10%bf at 6'2 and 23 years old. Maybe by the time im 50 I'll have time to learn how to cycle and diet...

[GreMos]

Just to justify my own crap I'm 267lbs and 10%bf at 6'2 and 23 years old. Maybe by the time im 50 I'll have time to learn how to cycle and diet...

Machine!! Pics? I can't see profiles as of yet

[human project]

Machine!! Pics? I can't see profiles as of yet

My pics are all really old. The newest one is my profile pic which you cant really tell too much of anything in and it's from last march.. I need to upload new ones soon. I'll add them to the forum when I do. Thanks for props man. I don't really like boasting but when ppl talk shit on what i do or claim i am not qualified in my response i kinda just want to repost there reply with a couple of there pics and mine so ppl can decide who is more qualified. Ill take pics of my weight and bf% test results I get tomorrow. Hopefully I'll be down around 8% but more likely around 10

[Bevsta123]

Like I said. I KNOW WHERE I STAND. Don't know how much I can stress this. I'm looking for ADVICE and INFORMATION of cycling not lifestyle.

There's no guarantee where I'm going with this even if I said so. Whether I decide to lean up tomorrow or after 5 cycles. Please, don't worry about it. Its on an over my head at that point.

I'm lookin for general information on how I should cycle for huge gains FOR WHEN I DO START. I'm 290 and do have fat but that's for me to look at and decide when I'll lean up. I know all you're trying to do is help and I DO appreciate it but the leaning help has its place for when I decide to lean up.


This pic (if it uploads god knows if it'll work, is of me before losing 30 lbs) so I'm not obese. Just have extra around The edges.

WTF you look bloated and round as fk, you been using synthol or something? looking like bloody 40% BF

[GreMos]

WTF you look bloated and round as fk, you been using synthol or something? looking like bloody 40% BF

Never in my life would I touch synthol. And yeah I know. You're intelligence shows through your perceptual abilities in being able too look at a picture of a fat guy and say hey! Hes fat!

Congratulations on that one. I applaud you

[gixxerboy1]

Never in my life would I touch synthol. And yeah I know. You're intelligence shows through your perceptual abilities in being able too look at a picture of a fat guy and say hey! Hes fat!

Congratulations on that one. I applaud you

I'll give it to you. You've got a good sense of humor. I lol'ed

[GreMos]

I'll give it to you. You've got a good sense of humor. I lol'ed

Making the best of it haha

[havanakid]

Dont get down on yourself GreMos..with time,patience,hard work,and dedication youll make your goals happen.

[havanakid]

Thats beast bro.Def would like to see pics of you at 267 with 10%bf.

[human project]

Thats beast bro.Def would like to see pics of you at 267 with 10%bf.

I will ASAP man I just moved again.... Didnt bring my camera yet. Hopefully I can get my bf tested again today tho... Will post results as soon as I do. Btw my profile pics are from last year when I was just breaking 250 and around 8%

[fit2bOld]

I will ASAP man I just moved again.... Didnt bring my camera yet. Hopefully I can get my bf tested again today tho... Will post results as soon as I do. Btw my profile pics are from last year when I was just breaking 250 and around 8%

Excuses excuses, The problem is this your are encouraging a young man with obvious health issues Diabetes, High blood pressure and obesity to use AAS. Regardless of how big you are or what you have been able to achieve you are not giving sound advice to young man and may actually ending up causing him further health complications.

Many other experienced Vets agree and have clearly stated he should wait but with statements such as" F*** what everyone else thinks" is just asinine.

[GreMos]

Excuses excuses, The problem is this your are encouraging a young man with obvious health issues Diabetes, High blood pressure and obesity to use AAS. Regardless of how big you are or what you have been able to achieve you are not giving sound advice to young man and may actually ending up causing him further health complications.

Many other experienced Vets agree and have clearly stated he should wait but with statements such as" F*** what everyone else thinks" is just asinine.

I don't have diabetes ? Haha

[Lunk1]

Hey GreMos, you have already made the write decision brotha. No need to keep feeding the animals. Let em talk and let this thread die. Then you come back when 405 has you torn up and tell all of to eat sh!tt. I will love it!

[human project]

Excuses excuses, The problem is this your are encouraging a young man with obvious health issues Diabetes, High blood pressure and obesity to use AAS. Regardless of how big you are or what you have been able to achieve you are not giving sound advice to young man and may actually ending up causing him further health complications.

Many other experienced Vets agree and have clearly stated he should wait but with statements such as" F*** what everyone else thinks" is just asinine.

Where exactly have I recommended anything??? I clearly said if you are between 15-20%bf I like your cycle... I think high amounts of test are better then 2-3 gram cycles or stacks. Closest thing to advice I've given bro is don't get discouraged by shit talk about your plans for cycle or diet. In the end it's your decision and you should accept ANY advice even if you don't feel the same. I'm not saying don't listen to "the vets" but I will say just because you've done it for a while doesn't make you an expert or even more knowledgable then a guy half your age..

[human project]

Excuses excuses, The problem is this your are encouraging a young man with obvious health issues Diabetes, High blood pressure and obesity to use AAS. Regardless of how big you are or what you have been able to achieve you are not giving sound advice to young man and may actually ending up causing him further health complications.

Many other experienced Vets agree and have clearly stated he should wait but with statements such as" F*** what everyone else thinks" is just asinine.

When did this guy get diabetes?? He mentioned a little high bp while on cycle which to a certain degree is normal... Nothing off cycle that I remember.. His bf % was never actually done so I guess all you have to go by to say he's obese is his arm pic in a cut off. The only advice I've given is to get a bf test, blood work from his doctor, and post it along with his diet.

[Lunk1]

When did this guy get diabetes?? He mentioned a little high bp while on cycle which to a certain degree is normal... Nothing off cycle that I remember.. His bf % was never actually done so I guess all you have to go by to say he's obese is his arm pic in a cut off. The only advice I've given is to get a bf test, blood work from his doctor, and post it along with his diet.

He is over in the nutrition section and calculated his BF around 25 or 26% I believe.... I will say that if 405 get's him ripped down and he comes back at a lower BF% he will put most guys to shame...he has genetic freak potential...go get em Gman

[warmouth]

Just read this. Probably should let it die, but I am glad to hear you taking the advice of the vets. They are the BEST! Dont listen to young bone heads telling you to go for it. Truth be told, they probably couldnt get a hard on if Rihanna sat naked in their lap. And they are very insecure and were probably bullied in school, then dropped out and "got swole". Lol. You got a ton of potential, and I truely believe you have a gift that many dont have with genetics. There is a certain member posting in this thread who dont know very much and is somewhat challenged in the mental department. I bet when and if you are ready to use AAS, you would be able to curl his young butt and squeeze the oil from his muscles. Keep up the good and honest work! I was worried through the first page, but you turned it around. Great read!