Sustanon250 + Insulin Cycle

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 05:00 AM

Hey there.
I'm looking to run a bulking cycle with Sustanon250 (Omnadren ) and some Insulin . It should look something like that:

1-12w: Sustanon250 500mg every Monday
1-12w: Arimidex 0.25mg e3d
PCT:
Aromasin - 1-4w: 25 mg/eod 4-8w: 12.5 mg/eod
Triptorelin (GnRH) Single 100mcg shot no Day 1 after the last Sust250 pin

3 IUs Insulin Humalog, PWO (w/ 50g protein, 10g glutamine, 10g creatine, 21g Dextrose) for 10 weeks

Please evaluate, your opinion and experience will be greatly appreciated.

P.S.
I'm thinking of adding some TB500 as well. What do you think ? Thanks.

**stpete** · 09-02-2012, 06:56 AM

Welcome..I'd pin the sus more than once a week. PCT is inadequate. Nolva and Clomid, although just Nolva would be a lot better than what you have right now.

I don't have any personal experience on the slin so i'll pass on that question.

Good Luck

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 07:12 AM

Why would I choose Clomid over Triptorelin or Nolva over Aromasin ? Nolvadex ' detrimental effects on IGF-1 have been long proven and low IGF-1 is the last thing one wants during PCT especially with the uprising levels of TSH.

Your suggestion about Sustanon is viable though. Maybe I would switch to 250mg or 125mg eod.

As for TB500 I think I'll try this protocol:

Wk1 - 5mg
Wk2 - 2.5mg
Wk3 - 2.5mg
Wk4 - 2mg
Wk5 - 2mg

Any ideas whether TB500 is compatible with insulin or not or whether this protocol will be any effective ?

**kelkel** · 09-02-2012, 09:04 AM

Agree with splitting the sust to every 3.5 days. Lower spikes in E, more consistent levels. Depending on your system, you may need to go EOD on your adex even though it's half-life is around 46 hrs. Keep an eye on it, everyones different. You should be on HCG during cycle if possible as well.

When it comes to Nolva, yes, it can reduce IGF1 by 25% +/- but the upside is increased pituitary response and LH production. But, Triptorelin is more cutting edge working on both Lh and FSH. Just make sure you wait until everythings out of your system before you do it or your probably wasting it. Measure correctly and don't go beyond that dosage one time only.

And welcome to the site! Glad to have you!

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

And welcome to the site! Glad to have you!

Thanks for having me.
Since I'll be using a multi-estered testosterone solution, when would be the most suitable time to start PCT and administer the Triptorelin injection ?

**kelkel** · 09-02-2012, 09:50 AM

Yes, 4 tests to be exact. Arguably about 18 days.

MD, what discipline?

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 10:04 AM

PhD in Biochemistry, MD in Genetics.

Just to be clear, 18 days past the last pin, start PCT ? Thanks.

**kelkel** · 09-02-2012, 10:59 AM

Nice. There are several others here as well. You can contribute greatly so please, stick around. There are some brilliant people here.
Yes, you will hear 18-21, hence the "arguably" comment.

Doc, if that's your real name, change it. The internet's forever. Protect yourself.

**bdwstick** · 09-02-2012, 11:01 AM

its amazine the direction that body building is going...but useless cause you can juice in sports...what a waste

**gixxerboy1** · 09-02-2012, 11:11 AM

also why are you running so much aromasin in the beginning of the cycle then lowering it at week4? I would run the 12.5 through out

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Doc, if that's your real name, change it. The internet's forever. Protect yourself.

It's an alias, but I appreciate the concern. Thanks.

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

also why are you running so much aromasin in the beginning of the cycle then lowering it at week4? I would run the 12.5 through out

I'm not running Aromasin throughout the cycle. That's the PCT.

**gixxerboy1** · 09-02-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by J.Rauschenberg MD

It's an alias, but I appreciate the concern. Thanks.

I'm not running Aromasin throughout the cycle. That's the PCT.

sorry, i missread that when i saw weeks 1-4, i thought it was the beginning of the cycle

**kelkel** · 09-02-2012, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by bdwstick

its amazine the direction that body building is going...but useless cause you can juice in sports...what a waste

That "direction" has been on going since the 70's basically. Just 21st century communications have improved to the point that very little is hidden anymore, or at least not for long. Just ask Lance Armstrong!

**J.Rauschenberg MD** · 09-02-2012, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by bdwstick

its amazine the direction that body building is going...but useless cause you can juice in sports...what a waste

I'm not sure whether you meant "can" or "can't" but in both scenarios it's not useless. If everybody juices then it's about which team scientists' are better like in Formula One.
And if you thought that you can't juice in sports you certainly can. There are tons of compounds that are easily masked or not detected at all in tests.