Lots of requests to see my 40lb muscle gain in 5 months, heres my story, enjoy.

[juice work]

Juice Work I apologized for the way I worded my comments...I am the king of sarcasm and can be a dick for sure! The truth still remains At youre height and weight you are over 12.7%. At the BF% you should see abs and I ain't seeing it. Just cause the scale went up does NOT mean you gained 40 lbs of MUSCLE. Your cycle SUCKED and you could have done better by dieting and doing better in the gym (perhaps more cardio). You feel like a monster cause you gained 40lbs but you could have done it without juice.

Critisizm is what it is sometimes and sometimes it hurts. You need to learn to take it constructively not destructively.

I understand criticism, i understand constructive criticism. I get jokes but there is a difference between a joke and a straight douche comment. If you feel like my cycle sucked make me some recommendations and i will take any constructive criticism into consideration. People who want to help are helpful with advice and serious input, not mean remarks.

[juice work]

I disagree juice if you post your diet and workout you will get tons of advice. Nobody on this site is perfect and know it all but there experience can guide young lads like me and yourself to that 'perfect' physique.
Please don't be disillusioned by a couple of negative comments stay on this forum and you will reap the rewards

sorry but i really dont feel like taking the effort to type up everything ive busted my ass to get just to have some dumb ass comments dash it away and then have 2 helpful comments

[951thompson]

i wont bother listing my routine or diet because no matter what i post it will get nothing but dick head remarks so i see no point in doing that what so ever.
i understand that i am holding water weight and have some body fat, 12.7%.
I personally dont feel like i have gyno but i can take 20mg of tamox. for 6 weeks to see if there is any change to it.

Yeah dude have you got you PCT sorted? You should let your body recover from your cycle for at least 90 days. After PCT I would run your diet at 400 calories below maintenance for 90 days. Hey I think you have bulked out pretty decent. Just you could do with cutting some of the bad weight you have picked up, fat gains are part of the parcel when bulking. You have done fine. At 12% it would only take you around 2 months to get to 9% with a good clean diet.

Peace

[951thompson]

Juice Work I apologized for the way I worded my comments...I am the king of sarcasm and can be a dick for sure! The truth still remains At youre height and weight you are over 12.7%. At the BF% you should see abs and I ain't seeing it. Just cause the scale went up does NOT mean you gained 40 lbs of MUSCLE. Your cycle SUCKED and you could have done better by dieting and doing better in the gym (perhaps more cardio). You feel like a monster cause you gained 40lbs but you could have done it without juice.

Critisizm is what it is sometimes and sometimes it hurts. You need to learn to take it constructively not destructively.

U don't see abs until 11%

[bigsiv]

Juice work have a look at the thread All you need to know about GYNO by C-bino very good read.
I've battled small gyno myself mate it's a risk that comes with steroid use but with the advice from the guys I've learnt about Ai's proper pct etc Good Luck bro

[Lunk1]

I understand criticism, i understand constructive criticism. I get jokes but there is a difference between a joke and a straight douche comment. If you feel like my cycle sucked make me some recommendations and i will take any constructive criticism into consideration. People who want to help are helpful with advice and serious input, not mean remarks.

OK...here goes. 1) You should have bulked naturally before even considering juice because I DO believe it's the food that got you your 40 lbs not the gear
2) You should have started with a test only cycle to assure that you could handle the sides and determine what sides were from what during a stack
3) You should have invreased cardio and had a cleaner diet and I doubt you would have had all the fat gain
4) You should not have run cycle that long (12 weeks) would have been perfect
5) You should not have just randomly added prop and increased test dosage cause some guy had a vial to get rid of
6) You should have been using an AI during cycle
7) You shoult PCT after and then take off 3-4 months to allow your system to start working natty again
8) You raelly should have blood work done after this last cycle you ran

We (including me the smart ass) are here with your best interests in mind. It isn't allways what you WANT to hear but it is what you NEED to hear.

[< <Samson> >]

I am not talking shit bro, but here we go. This is all just my opinion and reflects no else s word at all.


40 Pounds gained would look quite different, even on someone your height. To me it looks to be maybe about 20 pounds at most. I gained a solid dozen pounds of LBM on my first cycle and it is quite noticeable.

Your gyno looks a bit rough, but it might just the pics.

Just take it easy bro. I know you want what 90% of all of us want on here - To be big and swoled NOW! And not in years upon years. . . This kind of shit can(& most likely will) cause some serious internal damage.

Considering stopping, and for a fairly long time.


Good luck bro!

[juice work]

Yeah dude have you got you PCT sorted? You should let your body recover from your cycle for at least 90 days. After PCT I would run your diet at 400 calories below maintenance for 90 days. Hey I think you have bulked out pretty decent. Just you could do with cutting some of the bad weight you have picked up, fat gains are part of the parcel when bulking. You have done fine. At 12% it would only take you around 2 months to get to 9% with a good clean diet.

Peace

thanks for the advice man, i have 20k mg of hcg (bought in bulk) and have tamox (nolva) and clomid on hand. I never ran an ai because all my friends that have competed and ran havent taken them and dont recommend them either

what would you recommend for an ai? ive heard arimidex is harsh and to use aromasin and then there are other generics but id like to hear personal preference

[juice work]

I am not talking shit bro, but here we go. This is all just my opinion and reflects no else s word at all.


40 Pounds gained would look quite different, even on someone your height. To me it looks to be maybe about 20 pounds at most. I gained a solid dozen pounds of LBM on my first cycle and it is quite noticeable.

Your gyno looks a bit rough, but it might just the pics.

Just take it easy bro. I know you want what 90% of all of us want on here - To be big and swoled NOW! And not in years upon years. . . This kind of shit can(& most likely will) cause some serious internal damage.

Considering stopping, and for a fairly long time.


Good luck bro!

i appreciate the input, i need to get my cardio up but for the majority i have been lifting heavy 4-6 reps to just bulk, if you could have met me before and now you would have been blown away, so i read your vote is to stop and recoup now. note taken, ive thought about that for a while now, starting pct and cooling off then bloodwork and getting back on all things according

[juice work]

OK...here goes. 1) You should have bulked naturally before even considering juice because I DO believe it's the food that got you your 40 lbs not the gear
2) You should have started with a test only cycle to assure that you could handle the sides and determine what sides were from what during a stack
3) You should have invreased cardio and had a cleaner diet and I doubt you would have had all the fat gain
4) You should not have run cycle that long (12 weeks) would have been perfect
5) You should not have just randomly added prop and increased test dosage cause some guy had a vial to get rid of
6) You should have been using an AI during cycle
7) You shoult PCT after and then take off 3-4 months to allow your system to start working natty again
8) You raelly should have blood work done after this last cycle you ran

We (including me the smart ass) are here with your best interests in mind. It isn't allways what you WANT to hear but it is what you NEED to hear.

thanks for the advice bro, i know most people want to see others start with one compound and i know why, i get that
cardio ive been told too much will burn muscle off (i understand some is needed)
i know adding test prop for a month didnt do much more than giving me a bigger lump
legnth is disputable depending on whom you speak with
i agree with taking a decent break from my cycle and doing a very aggressive pct and doing blood work at my doctors.
what is the ai that you would use, and the dosage? did you get any adverse sides from it?

[bigsiv]

Now you are thinking bout finishing go through pct of nolvadex 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50 given your length of cycle I would probably double that length of time maybe just the nolvadex not too sure never been on for 5 months lol in all fairness you should bounce back to nearly normal just be cautios next time.
On another note check out that thread I mentioned earlier it helped me out

[bigsiv]

Juice the Ai Aromatose inhibitor is for on cycle not during pct mate wasn't sure if you knew because you keep asking about it. Next cycle use arimidex 0.5mg eod then adjust if needed in my opinion

[juice work]

Now you are thinking bout finishing go through pct of nolvadex 40/20/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50 given your length of cycle I would probably double that length of time maybe just the nolvadex not too sure never been on for 5 months lol in all fairness you should bounce back to nearly normal just be cautios next time.
On another note check out that thread I mentioned earlier it helped me out

so youre thinking running pct for 2 months at the reg dosages for clomid and nolva ill probably hit 500 iu of hcg eod as well and then stop when i engage the other two

[juice work]

Juice the Ai Aromatose inhibitor is for on cycle not during pct mate wasn't sure if you knew because you keep asking about it. Next cycle use arimidex 0.5mg eod then adjust if needed in my opinion

why do you chose arimidex over the other compounds?

[juice work]

Juice the Ai Aromatose inhibitor is for on cycle not during pct mate wasn't sure if you knew because you keep asking about it. Next cycle use arimidex 0.5mg eod then adjust if needed in my opinion

yea i know that its meant to keep estrogen in check and e2 levels while on cycle, i just wanted to know what one you use

[Trying-Hard]

why do you chose arimidex over the other compounds?

I used Arimidex for the first 4 weeks until I read more about the other compounds and quickly switched over to Aromasin (Exemestane). Make sure to read Swifto's Sticky about AI's.

[bigsiv]

To be fair juice arimidex was the only thing I could get hold of so I don't have experience with other compounds. Check out the pct threads cause there is a good one for people who have been on for a long time like yourself and it has great advice on pct protocol

[stpete]

Just clarify for me. Are you stopping or continuing?

[Live for the PUMP]

I don't want to say anything negative to you bud. There was enough of that, but Dude! Jump off the Test train. Do some serious PCT. Get your body back to normal for a while.

[951thompson]

thanks for the advice bro, i know most people want to see others start with one compound and i know why, i get that
cardio ive been told too much will burn muscle off (i understand some is needed)
i know adding test prop for a month didnt do much more than giving me a bigger lump
legnth is disputable depending on whom you speak with
i agree with taking a decent break from my cycle and doing a very aggressive pct and doing blood work at my doctors.
what is the ai that you would use, and the dosage? did you get any adverse sides from it?

Keep your cardio short and intense. Once or twice a week. I like to do sprints. 30 second sprints 5 sets with only 30 seconds rest between. You seen those sprinters at the Olympics, they are well built powerhouses. Sprints build strength and power as well as giving your hart and lungs a really good workout ;-)

[warmouth]

I think you have gyno man. It looks like you may have had post pubescent gyno before you started. I wouldnt conider another cycle at this point until you get your diet and training in check. I am not hating so please, you or anyone else, dont think I am hating. But you really need to get a medical opinion on what appears to be gyno. It might just be a bit of fat, but at the long cycle you ran and the body you had to start, it is likely it is there. Get everything in order before you even considerrunning another cycle. I think most of the 40Lbs you gained were water, bloat, and soft tissue. Please dont take me the wrong way, I am jusy stating what I feel has happened. Good luck!

[JohnnyVegas]

i wont bother listing my routine or diet because no matter what i post it will get nothing but dick head remarks so i see no point in doing that what so ever.
i understand that i am holding water weight and have some body fat, 12.7%.
I personally dont feel like i have gyno but i can take 20mg of tamox. for 6 weeks to see if there is any change to it.

Hang in there man. This place is a huge resource that can get you to the level you want to be.

You can get diet and lifting advice if you feel you are lacking. As far as next cycle advice, you might want to consider taking some time off. Keep lifting, see if what you are eating is what you need for your new size and then start putting together your plan for the future.

[warmouth]

Keep your cardio short and intense. Once or twice a week. I like to do sprints. 30 second sprints 5 sets with only 30 seconds rest between. You seen those sprinters at the Olympics, they are well built powerhouses. Sprints build strength and power as well as giving your hart and lungs a really good workout ;-)

Just do treadmill OP, at varying speeds and inclines. 2.5 minutes once or twice a week isnt going to cut it. Thats 5 minutes of cardio a week if done twice, and I get more cardio than that changint my cats litterbox.

[951thompson]

Just do treadmill OP, at varying speeds and inclines. 2.5 minutes once or twice a week isnt going to cut it. Thats 5 minutes of cardio a week if done twice, and I get more cardio than that changint my cats litterbox.

It's five minutes with the rests. I don't believe in endless amounts of cardio, its useless imo. Cardio is good in small does to give your internal organs a good workout. But when it comes down to burning fat its all down to a clean diet! Diet is the most important thing when it comes to training, you are what you eat!

[gonzo6183]

Look...he ran a cycle that he never should have run for way longer than he should have run it...now he is planning another cycle with next to no time off. All this kid did was gain 30lbs of fat and water and 10 lbs of muscle AT BEST! This is not a success story this is an example of what NOT to do. He ran EQ that caused him to eat like a horse and stood around the gym telling everyone hw was juicing. He could of had these gasins and better with diet and proper workout and NO gear.

My thoughts exactly

[gearbox]

op-hcg is suppose to be run with your cycle not with pct

however, I hope you jump off and get the gyno worked out and yes standard clomid/nolva for 4

[warmouth]

It's five minutes with the rests. I don't believe in endless amounts of cardio, its useless imo. Cardio is good in small does to give your internal organs a good workout. But when it comes down to burning fat its all down to a clean diet! Diet is the most important thing when it comes to training, you are what you eat!

5 minutes WITH rests is right. 2.5 minutes of actual work. There is 168 hours in a week, and to spend 2.5 minutes of them doing cardio is pointless in my opinion. You would be better off walking a mile every night. Or doing 5 sets of 10 push ups daily to be honest.

[< <Samson> >]

I been thinking about doing a MONSTER Cycle like this. We all know it works, it's just the sides I am worried about. So, as of now I am still sticking to shorter(8-10 week) cycles.

[SEOINAGE]

I have a bit of gyno as well, looks like mine came from a similar source as yours puberty, cause I notice it in the first pic when you look close, it just looks worse as you gain weight, which it has done for me. I met with a doc this year to consider surgery, but even he said he would have a hard time fixing it, so I have been holding off because they like to do it when you are at a stable body weight you plan on being at. Something like 1 in 4 men have some form of gynocomastia. If you have had it a really long time it is likely your only option is surgery, usually the chemicals only work for those who have had gyno short term or when they catch it during cycle. I'm tempted to try a few tricks like dht cream and nolva in the future, but for now I'm not worrying about it, but that might be something you want to try dht cream during your pct applied to nipples.

[redz]

That is not 12.7% bf either. You need to do more research and stop using gear, the last thing you want is bitch tits.

[951thompson]

5 minutes WITH rests is right. 2.5 minutes of actual work. There is 168 hours in a week, and to spend 2.5 minutes of them doing cardio is pointless in my opinion. You would be better off walking a mile every night. Or doing 5 sets of 10 push ups daily to be honest.

No sir endless amounts of cardio are pointless imo,
you see when you do cardio your body after so long becomes used to it, it gets to the point where you have done a 30 minute run and only burned 140 calories. What's that a :tin of tuna worth of food. What's the point? Waste of half an hour. Cardio is not like weight training
where after a workout you muscles are aching and still burning calories, when you step off a treadmill soon as you stop burning calories.


A good diet does you more benefit! Cardio in small doses is good to give your hart and lungs and good workout nothing more imo

[< <Samson> >]

That is not 12.7% bf either

I also agree, more like 14% at best.

I feel bad for tearing you up like this man. But, it is your body you can do as you will. You just don't want to regret shit later.

[Lunk1]

I think this whole cardio argument comes down to a time issue. Could I burn off my fat by diet? YES. Can I burner it faster with diet and weight training? YES. Can I burn it even faster yet by adding a GOOD amount of cardio? YEESSS!

Consider WHY it's called cardio...It's a cardiovascular excersise meant to exercise your heart and your lungs. While your body may adjust to the calorie burn it is still important to continue to exercise the most important muscle you have (no that is not a muscle) I mean your heart!

[Lunk1]

I also agree, more like 14% at best.

I feel bad for tearing you up like this man. But, it is your body you can do as you will. You just don't want to regret shit later.

I think the OP needs to be honest...not with us, with himself. It's obvious the OP had a bad self image due to his size and now that he is (big) he feels better and does not see things the same way the rest of us see it from outside the bubble. It just is the way the brain works. True self evaluation is difficult!

[951thompson]

I think this whole cardio argument comes down to a time issue. Could I burn off my fat by diet? YES. Can I burner it faster with diet and weight training? YES. Can I burn it even faster yet by adding a GOOD amount of cardio? YEESSS!

Consider WHY it's called cardio...It's a cardiovascular excersise meant to exercise your heart and your lungs. While your body may adjust to the calorie burn it is still important to continue to exercise the most important muscle you have (no that is not a muscle) I mean your heart!

Is this not what I said? Doing alittle cardio is good for you hart and lungs, a little as in 5 mins. What's the point in running for half an hour to burn 200 cals, waste of time and effort imo, you might as well eat 200 calories less and save yourself the effort.

[Lunk1]

Is this not what I said? Doing alittle cardio is good for you hart and lungs, a little as in 5 mins. What's the point in running for half an hour to burn 200 cals, waste of time and effort imo, you might as well eat 200 calories less and save yourself the effort.

EASY there big fella..I was just summarizing a bit. If you look at the post I really did not defend one side or the other. I am a split the diff. kinda guy. I like about 15 min. 3X a week at varied intervals. Walk a little sprint a little home in time to sex up momma

[HitIt]

took me 4 years to put on 40 pounds

[Lunk1]

took me 4 years to put on 40 pounds

I think it takes me like 4 days!!!! It aint a good 40 though

[MickeyKnox]

youre 15% at the least. sorry to say bro. (and nothing wrong with that)

but i do like the direction this thread has taken. lots of good advice here from solid members.

here's an example of what body fat percentages look like...

http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/a-bo...picture-guide/

[Lunk1]

youre 15% at the least. sorry to say bro. (and nothing wrong with that)

but i do like the direction this thread has taken. lots of good advice here from solid members.

here's an example of what body fat percentages look like...

http://thisiswhyyourejacked.com/a-bo...picture-guide/

Oh Mickey your so fine