Grow lean cycle

**NewMuscle83** · 09-08-2012, 01:57 AM

Don't really want to list my entire cycle history, but I've done several cycles, and the majority were researched properly with proper PCT and the like.

Right now cruising on 300mg test e.

Last cycle was my first run with tren . Felt like absolute shit for the first week or two at 350mg/wk, sust 350/wk. By week 3, zero side effects, and nothing but the best feeling and shape of my life. Ran it at 700/wk with sust at 350 for like 4 or 5 months. Ate like shit, and still walked around 220 at 8%. Been off for 5 or 6 weeks now, and I'm down to 210 at 10-11% and I'm hating it lol.

I'm going to cruise for probably 3 or 4 more months to give my body a break. Gonna do a blood test next week to check everything, hormones included.

Anyways, long intro, I want to get to the point. I wanna try growing lean this time. I'm hoping to hit 220 at 6% cause I'll actually diet this time. Never tried eq or deca . Want to check out either. Which will help me with my goals?

My cycle will include test and tren ace as follows:

Sust 750mg week 1-12, 350mg week 13-20
Tren 350mg Week 5-12, 700mg week 13-20
Mast 50mg eod week 9-12, 50mg ed week 13-20
aromasin 12.5mg eod

Now, opinions on what to add?

eq 600mg week 1-16
or
Deca 400mg week 1-16
and/or
tbol/dbol /adrol week 1-6 for kickstart?

Or something entirely different altogether?

Yes, heavy cycle. Yes, lot's of compounds. But, I have done a few drugs at the same time, I am 28 years old, I have gotten to 200 lbs natty before starting drugs, and my body can handle a lot with pretty much no sides.

Thanks for input/sorry for long post.

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 02:01 AM

Dude...why not PCT and take a break? Get some BW done and see if you are ok to stay on this crazy train!

**NewMuscle83** · 09-08-2012, 02:09 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Dude...why not PCT and take a break? Get some BW done and see if you are ok to stay on this crazy train!

Crazy train of 300mg test/week?

I'm doing a full physical and hormone panel next week. My doctor is very cool I will tell him about my gear use and decide whether to break completely or continue cruising.

**slimpickings** · 09-08-2012, 02:19 AM

Newmuscle if it were me I really like eq it takes it time to get going but you'll get good solid gains from it. Deca is ok but try the eq and you will like it 600-800 mg a week is where I run.

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by NewMuscle83

Crazy train of 300mg test/week?

I'm doing a full physical and hormone panel next week. My doctor is very cool I will tell him about my gear use and decide whether to break completely or continue cruising.

4 or 5 month cycle of tren at 700 mg pw criuzing for that time period then back to a petty hard core cycle. If you are not on trt you sure have it in your future

**slimpickings** · 09-08-2012, 02:27 AM

Lunk you like to flame people don't ya??

**Lunk1** · 09-08-2012, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by slimpickings

Lunk you like to flame people don't ya??

Flaming is against the rules...I like to point out the obvious to those that seem vision challenged. Are you trying to tell me a 5 month cycle of tren is wise slick? You don't see trouble in this kids future? C'mon!!!!

**Bigherm21** · 09-08-2012, 03:23 AM

Yes lunk I do. Dude how's your bp? Tren kills bp. Bein shutdown for that long I'd be surprised if you came back fully. Bro here's how I look at it. If you are not competing there is no reason to test limits. A nice 12 week cycle with a good pct, and diet equals great results. Just because your not messed up now doeant mean your gonna make yourself a rollercoaster ride later in life. Even on trt if your an older guy tren is bad for older guys. Primo is more expensive but can have tren like effects at higher doses. Also primo isn't nearly bad on the body like tren.

**Metalject** · 09-08-2012, 03:57 AM

It can be really hard to grow a significant amount of muscle mass if you're also trying to lean out. It's not impossible but it takes a serious amount of hormones in most cases. I'm talking about actual, true muscle tissue growth, not just looking fuller and being leaner. Some assume this look means they've grown, and there's nothing wrong with that look at all, but focusing on one end at a time is usually best. Meaning, you're adding lean mass while trying to minimize body fat gains as best you can or you're taking what you have and leaning out...which will make you look bigger anyway.

**fit2bOld** · 09-08-2012, 06:58 AM

As a HRT guy 300mg of test a week is not a cruise. An d there is no way you can get accurate blood work while your taking this. It takes about 8 week to clear your system and longer with Deca .

If you keep this up you'll be hanging in the HRT forum long before your 50.

**songdog** · 09-08-2012, 07:36 AM

This is the 3rd thread in a week thats so whacked that I wouldnt comment on it.

**NewMuscle83** · 09-08-2012, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

As a HRT guy 300mg of test a week is not a cruise. An d there is no way you can get accurate blood work while your taking this. It takes about 8 week to clear your system and longer with Deca .

If you keep this up you'll be hanging in the HRT forum long before your 50.

What is a cruise dose then? I really don't think 300 is that high, but most importantly, I don't think anything less will be that effective.

So you're saying whatever tests the doc administers won't really help me determine whether I should stay on or not?

How can I *objectively* determine if I should continue on my course? I appreciate the concern, but a bunch of dudes screaming crazy train on a forum aren't going to influence my decision. I'd like to make that decision based on a specific test result or something of the like.

Thanks.

**Bio-Active** · 09-08-2012, 11:10 AM

a cruise dose would be whatever dose keeps you at the high to normal range. For most TRT is between 100-200 E/W. I am not advising this unless medical TRT is needed.