Limp...

**IKe** · 09-14-2012, 08:02 PM

Well the title says it all...
I am in week 7 of my first cycle
-600mg cyp (300mg x2 weekly)
-Due to nipple inflamation, started taking anastrozole (ar-r liquidex) 5-6 weeks in at .25mg eod...upped it to .5mg eod last week

A few nights ago, about 25 minutes in, I go softer than a wet noodle.. with absolutely zero warning. Needless to say my libido has been pretty low as well.

Is this related to the anastrozole? BW scheduled for Monday, just trying to get some opinions/ hear from anybody with similar experience

**Lunk1** · 09-14-2012, 08:08 PM

Im going to take a stab and say it is more phsycological. the test should have you pounding nails with that thing

**FONZY007** · 09-14-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Im going to take a stab and say it is more phsycological. the test should have you pounding nails with that thing

Might be, might not be.. I shut myself down to almost nothing and i still got it up like no tomorrow!'

**IKe** · 09-14-2012, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

I shut myself down to almost nothing and i still got it up like no tomorrow!'

No problems getting up; hard as a rock for about 30 minutes then...off like a light switch. Its really eating at me

**Lunk1** · 09-14-2012, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by FONZY007

Might be, might not be.. I shut myself down to almost nothing and i still got it up like no tomorrow!'

Yes but this has nothing to do with shutdown. He is running 600mg test.

**austinite** · 09-14-2012, 08:33 PM

Very possible that this is estrogen related.

**IKe** · 09-14-2012, 09:43 PM

Really didn't notice any change in libido until AI kicked in... which doesn't make sense given the low dosage. Anyway, I think I may discontinue the anastrozole until I receive BW results.

As far as it being phsycological...maybe, but I've never had an issue with it before before

**Lunk1** · 09-14-2012, 10:12 PM

A lot of things can affect the performance of our little soldiers. Diet, stress, sleep, fatigue, (as Austin said Estro levels), age and so on. Is this a one time issue thus far? If so...consider taking 3 or 4 days off from sex and see if the buildup changes things.

**havanakid** · 09-14-2012, 10:49 PM

I can tell you from experience and a little logic that this is estrogen related.The key and your big mistake was starting the a-dex after 5-6 weeks in versus doing it from the start of your cycle .Estrogen levels must be pretty high therefore causing you these side-effects.I believe on a-dex in a couple more weeks you should be back to normal but bloodwork will for sure give you a better answer.

**The Titan99** · 09-14-2012, 11:23 PM

I don't know man. I bet it's the AI. I've run everything under the sun at very high doses, up to 2 grams of Test for instance. Never needed an AI. I take a little prami when doing a lot of Tren A but that's about it. Lately I started to experiment with Aromasin 12.5 mg eod. It wasn't till I read this thread that I made the connection, but I'm struggling with ed too. Just met this new girl so it's more irratating than usual, but I never let that kind of thing blow out of proportion. Definitely had some explaining to do though. I'm dropping that shit like a hot rock. I've run a gram of Deca in the past and never had a problem. Jeez...

**warmouth** · 09-15-2012, 12:29 AM

Liquidex helped me big time. I struggled with it too until I started using, and about 2 weeks in, I was good to go!

**JohnnyVegas** · 09-15-2012, 12:51 AM

It is hard to tell if you have high or low E2. The sides can be the same. The fact that you have been on AI for a couple of weeks and recently upped the dose makes me think your E2 could be low.

I have the same symptoms you are having if my AI dose is to high.

Food for thought.

If you cannot get it sorted out quickly, I recommend blood work. That will tell you exactly where you are.

**songdog** · 09-15-2012, 03:18 AM

Yes I will bet its your Ai.Beacuse you didnt start it when you shouldve.Then when you do for NO know reason you bumped up the dose.Now I think you have low estro.But without blood work its a guess.I would suggest in the future do things the way you are suppose to bro.Good luck.

**MickeyKnox** · 09-15-2012, 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by IKe

No problems getting up; hard as a rock for about 30 minutes then...off like a light switch. Its really eating at me

had exactly the same problem. guaranteed ai related (e2) but without bloodwork you won't really know if your high or low, as JohnnyVegas pointed out. until then it's a guessing game and this will become more frustrating until you get it sorted out or until your bw comes back and tells the tale.

can't wait to see your results. please consider including them in this thread, if you don't mind - they will provide some insight for others experiencing the similar problems. thanks!

Originally Posted by havanakid

I can tell you from experience and a little logic that this is estrogen related.The key and your big mistake was starting the a-dex after 5-6 weeks in versus doing it from the start of your cycle .Estrogen levels must be pretty high therefore causing you these side-effects.I believe on a-dex in a couple more weeks you should be back to normal but bloodwork will for sure give you a better answer.

^^ agreed.

**IKe** · 09-15-2012, 07:24 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

It is hard to tell if you have high or low E2. The sides can be the same. The fact that you have been on AI for a couple of weeks and recently upped the dose makes me think your E2 could be low.

I have the same symptoms you are having if my AI dose is to high.

Food for thought.

If you cannot get it sorted out quickly, I recommend blood work. That will tell you exactly where you are.

I was under the impression that my doses, .25 and even .5, are a relatively low dose?

songdog - Is it not common practice to keep AI out of 1st cycle (test only) unless needed? Upped the dosage as high estro signs were still showing. You are saying it was inevitable that signs would show, and should be taken from the start, but as The Titan99 points out, not everybody deals with high estro conversion.

MickeyKnox Will Post results as soon as I get them

**austinite** · 09-15-2012, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by IKe

I was under the impression that my doses, .25 and even .5, are a relatively low dose?

songdog -Is it not common practice to keep AI out of 1st cycle (test only) unless needed? Upped the dosage as high estro signs were still showing. You are saying it was inevitable that signs would show, and should be taken from the start, but as The Titan99 points out, not everybody deals with high estro conversion.

MickeyKnox Will Post results as soon as I get them

Yes, it's a common mistake.

**songdog** · 09-15-2012, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by IKe

I was under the impression that my doses, .25 and even .5, are a relatively low dose?

songdog - Is it not common practice to keep AI out of 1st cycle (test only) unless needed? Upped the dosage as high estro signs were still showing. You are saying it was inevitable that signs would show, and should be taken from the start, but as The Titan99 points out, not everybody deals with high estro conversion.

MickeyKnox Will Post results as soon as I get them

You need to read Swiftos sticky it will explain all of your questions.

**ironbeck** · 09-15-2012, 08:01 AM

Your ****ed, your dick will never be the same......j/k.after a half hr...give your dick a break .

**IKe** · 09-15-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

You need to read Swiftos sticky it will explain all of your questions.

I've already read it.. a few times. And I realize that it is treated as gospel here, but I've also read praised threads on other forums that have some conflicting information. I am in NO WAY discrediting Swiftos post by any means, just saying that after 2-3 years research on aas, there are still some controversial issues that remain unanswered (for me at least).

And as for an update, same thing happened this morning. About 20 minutes in and poof, down goes my soldier. Dunno if my wife is making the connection, but don't think she'll be too happy if the problem persists.
On a side note, after 7 weeks of Cyp, shouldn't I be seeing some testicular atrophy? I've noticed zero change

**sonofsam1** · 09-15-2012, 10:50 AM

I head same problem running 750mg test E and deca 300mg bump liquid letro 2 .5eod It was all good after a week my problem was high estro

**OnTheSauce** · 09-15-2012, 10:50 AM

Some ppl don't experience atrophy. I have a friend who's been on almost a year and says he has zero shrinkage of the balls. Dunno

**JWP806** · 09-15-2012, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by patrick4588

Some ppl don't experience atrophy. I have a friend who's been on almost a year and says he has zero shrinkage of the balls. Dunno

This isn't the issue here...

**Lunk1** · 09-15-2012, 01:08 PM

I don't think I experience any atroghy but I don't normally dig through my wifes purse to check

**havanakid** · 09-15-2012, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by IKe

Really didn't notice any change in libido until AI kicked in... which doesn't make sense given the low dosage. Anyway, I think I may discontinue the anastrozole until I receive BW results.

As far as it being phsycological...maybe, but I've never had an issue with it before before

Stay on your anastrazole.Its already bad enough you weren't on it for the first 5 to 6 weeks of your cycle.Once you get bloodwork results you'll get a better idea as to what the problem is but in the meantime let the zole do a little work.Im talking from experience bro not hearsay.At such a highdose of test that youre on its imperative to run an AI.

**havanakid** · 09-15-2012, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I don't think I experience any atroghy but I don't normally dig through my wifes purse to check

lmao

**IKe** · 09-15-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

Stay on your anastrazole.Its already bad enough you weren't on it for the first 5 to 6 weeks of your cycle.Once you get bloodwork results you'll get a better idea as to what the problem is but in the meantime let the zole do a little work.Im talking from experience bro not hearsay.At such a highdose of test that youre on its imperative to run an AI.

Will do.. thanks for the advice

**JWP806** · 09-15-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I don't think I experience any atroghy but I don't normally dig through my wifes purse to check

Haha

**IKe** · 09-15-2012, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by havanakid

Stay on your anastrazole.Its already bad enough you weren't on it for the first 5 to 6 weeks of your cycle.Once you get bloodwork results you'll get a better idea as to what the problem is but in the meantime let the zole do a little work.Im talking from experience bro not hearsay.At such a highdose of test that youre on its imperative to run an AI.

Should I continue .5 eod, or back down to .25 eod?

**Lunk1** · 09-15-2012, 01:51 PM

I would go back down to ,25.
its plenty imo

**binsser** · 09-16-2012, 01:19 PM

i stop shagging and taking my ai for a week becuase of this and everything went back to full if not better performance bud did take me time to figure it out!

**zleeb82** · 09-16-2012, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Liquidex helped me big time. I struggled with it too until I started using, and about 2 weeks in, I was good to go!

was this from ar-r ?

**austinite** · 09-16-2012, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by zleeb82

was this from ar-r?

Yes, you can get Ldex there.

**havanakid** · 09-16-2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I would go back down to ,25.
its plenty imo

Agreed on this.

**zleeb82** · 09-16-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yes, you can get Ldex there.

Yes, I have some from them that I have yet to use. I was just wondering how he liked it?

Who is the girl in your pic?

**nextdoorboy** · 09-17-2012, 02:59 PM

maybe the other person involved isn't attrractive enough

in all seriousness, if you started the gear, you should have a pretty good idea of what caused this because, obviously, you did your homework r-i-i-i-i-ght? ;/

**IKe** · 09-18-2012, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by nextdoorboy

maybe the other person involved isn't attrractive enough

in all seriousness, if you started the gear, you should have a pretty good idea of what caused this because, obviously, you did your homework r-i-i-i-i-ght? ;/

Well lets hope she is, considering I married the woman lol

Homework- check

I have come across "similar" situations, but obviously everyone has their own caveats. I just can't seem to find a solid answer/ remedy. Hopefully blood work gives better insight.
On a side note, I've really yet to feel ANYTHING from the cyp. I've gained A LOT of weight, about 20 lbs in 7 weeks, along with some great strength gains. But I have felt ZERO effect on my libido, attitude, etc. Makes me wonder about legitimacy of CYP... if weight gained is placebo and now I have low E from liquidex. Probably just a paranoid theory but Im trying to cover all the bases.

**JAB1** · 09-18-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by IKe

Well lets hope she is, considering I married the woman lol

Homework- check

I have come across "similar" situations, but obviously everyone has their own caveats. I just can't seem to find a solid answer/ remedy. Hopefully blood work gives better insight.
On a side note, I've really yet to feel ANYTHING from the cyp. I've gained A LOT of weight, about 20 lbs in 7 weeks, along with some great strength gains. But I have felt ZERO effect on my libido, attitude, etc. Makes me wonder about legitimacy of CYP... if weight gained is placebo and now I have low E from liquidex. Probably just a paranoid theory but Im trying to cover all the bases.

Id get your bloodwork done asap. Hard to say whats up. If you have fake test and are using an ai obviosuly you would have low E. But didnt you say you had nipple sensitivity? and yeah thats alot of weight to gain, but if you went from nothing to lifting and eating like a monster its possible for newb gains natural. FYI I am on my second cycle and I do not get the ON FEELING" some speak of, so thats not a perfect indicator either.

**IKe** · 09-19-2012, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by JAB1

Id get your bloodwork done asap. Hard to say whats up. If you have fake test and are using an ai obviosuly you would have low E. But didnt you say you had nipple sensitivity? and yeah thats alot of weight to gain, but if you went from nothing to lifting and eating like a monster its possible for newb gains natural. FYI I am on my second cycle and I do not get the ON FEELING" some speak of, so thats not a perfect indicator either.

Yes I did have nipple sensitivity, but I have always had an issue in that department, prior to CYP use.
Anybody else get that "ON CYCLE FEELING".. My buddy is on his second cycle and he makes it seem like he's got adrenaline running through him 24/7, meanwhile I still can barely make it out of bed lol
20 lbs possible with fake gear?