Cycle Advice Test/Tren/Mast Props

[Lunk1]

6 shoulder sites??!?! what do I not know here lol.. I always thought u can only go directly into the shoulder hand by side, like they do when getting vacciines, and that it was only good for 1 ml.

If your refering to delts some will do 2 or so ML there. Depends on the muscle size. 2ML would be my max there but thats not true for everyone,

So your about 16 days in? How are you feeling???

[gambit85]

If your refering to delts some will do 2 or so ML there. Depends on the muscle size. 2ML would be my max there but thats not true for everyone,

So your about 16 days in? How are you feeling???

I am 11 days in, 8 shots.
Def feeling some strength but nothing CRAZY yet, as for sides, basically NONE. no problems sleeping, a lil extra sweat lower back, everything else is great, muscles feel VERY hard.
A total of 9 lbs on since I started, but its water I was dehydrated before starting so cant really tell how much of that is tren gains, but ppl are noticing so ya..

me likey tren, if no sides continue I might up the dosage a bit? :P

Lunk, do you know where I can get a sterile vial locally?

[Lunk1]

I am 11 days in, 8 shots.
Def feeling some strength but nothing CRAZY yet, as for sides, basically NONE. no problems sleeping, a lil extra sweat lower back, everything else is great, muscles feel VERY hard.
A total of 9 lbs on since I started, but its water I was dehydrated before starting so cant really tell how much of that is tren gains, but ppl are noticing so ya..

me likey tren, if no sides continue I might up the dosage a bit? :P

Lunk, do you know where I can get a sterile vial locally?

I don't know where locally is for you man but try any vet supply

[Lunk1]

I am 11 days in, 8 shots.
Def feeling some strength but nothing CRAZY yet, as for sides, basically NONE. no problems sleeping, a lil extra sweat lower back, everything else is great, muscles feel VERY hard.
A total of 9 lbs on since I started, but its water I was dehydrated before starting so cant really tell how much of that is tren gains, but ppl are noticing so ya..

me likey tren, if no sides continue I might up the dosage a bit? :P

Lunk, do you know where I can get a sterile vial locally?

Remember a little goes a long way with tren and there is always another day.

[gambit85]

I don't know where locally is for you man but try any vet supply

see thats all I needed, not an exact shop but a general idea.

what about caber do you know where I can pick that up? order is fine too, just been reading and sounds like its useful plus fun haha..

[Neevor]

6 shoulder sites??!?! what do I not know here lol.. I always thought u can only go directly into the shoulder hand by side, like they do when getting vacciines, and that it was only good for 1 ml.

Three delt heads, front, middle, and rear on each shoulder.

[gambit85]

ouch that sounds like a lot of fluid up in the shoulders. I have bad shoulders already. I think I want to avoid anywhere in the delt area. is it really that bad to only cycle between 4 spots. basically hit each spot once in a week

[Neevor]

ouch that sounds like a lot of fluid up in the shoulders. I have bad shoulders already. I think I want to avoid anywhere in the delt area. is it really that bad to only cycle between 4 spots. basically hit each spot once in a week

No you'll just build up scar tissue quicker. I also hate pinning in my thighs especially w term or god forbid Winny! So I only pin test in my thighs and only when I've run out of other site options.

[gambit85]

No you'll just build up scar tissue quicker. I also hate pinning in my thighs especially w term or god forbid Winny! So I only pin test in my thighs and only when I've run out of other site options.

hmmm I keep hearing that tren is painful to inject.. I have never had pain in the last 8 shots ive done, went smooth like butter, a lil tender for 24 hours and thats it. Can easily still run, lift, grapple etc etc.

must be lucky? I think im gonan stick to rotating the 4 spots ive been using.

Also last night was the first time I felt crazy night sweats, woke up soaking in my sheets, and also yesterday at the gym I started feeling a lil queasy, and ansey and had a beta alanine type of tingle going on throughout my body, smoked a J and that cleared it all right up. lol :P

Strength is going up tho fosure, I have broken a couple of PBs

Can I mix the hcg I have directly into the 5000iu vile the powder came in? its glass but small, I think it will hold 2ml, making 0.1 ml = 250iu
also is it true its only good for 28 days meaning ill only get 4 weeks or 8 shots of 250iu (2x a week) with it?
So I am basically throwing away 12 shots? should I do it 3x a week or is there no point... maybe I shold get my roomate to use the other shots, since they will goto waste anyways?
hCG is def new to me

[gambit85]

Update.


Just did my first shot of hcg .
Also...
Split a bottle of dbol with my roomate since we cant take all 100 tabs of 20 mg in a single cycle anyways.
I am gonna do 10 days of dbol now, then finish my cut, compete then run 15 more days of dbol @ 40mg/day after my competition.

updated my log with aromasin , hcg and dbol.. still need to find caber

[Lunk1]

Update.


Just did my first shot of hcg .
Also...
Split a bottle of dbol with my roomate since we cant take all 100 tabs of 20 mg in a single cycle anyways.
I am gonna do 10 days of dbol now, then finish my cut, compete then run 15 more days of dbol @ 40mg/day after my competition.

updated my log with aromasin, hcg and dbol.. still need to find caber

Your such a geek Gambit...love the chart

[gambit85]

Your such a geek Gambit...love the chart

lol heeey this is important shiiiiit, gotta keep track of all of that. I remember I did all my research my first cycle, had all my pct compounds ready to go and then basically didnt write anything down... i had no idea when I was supposed to start my pct, i kinda had to calculate how much test I had left in the vials and try to figure it out that way. not fun, espec when we are talking about effing with our bodies natural shit.. I want to have kids one day, i dont want to be on a life of TRT. aka this is hella important to me.

[Lunk1]

lol heeey this is important shiiiiit, gotta keep track of all of that. I remember I did all my research my first cycle, had all my pct compounds ready to go and then basically didnt write anything down... i had no idea when I was supposed to start my pct, i kinda had to calculate how much test I had left in the vials and try to figure it out that way. not fun, espec when we are talking about effing with our bodies natural shit.. I want to have kids one day, i dont want to be on a life of TRT. aka this is hella important to me.

I wish others would follow your lead and I wish I possessed some of your organisational skills

[gambit85]

pfft this is nothing lol just a quick little excel spreadsheet, wait till im done everything, ill have some nice comparisons, before, end of bulk, end of cut, competition, end of dbol rd2, after pct, then 3 months after pct, with blood work.

I have blood work from a month before I decided to do this cycle, that showed I was back to normal range from the cycle before. I dont mess around, kinda ocd, as you can see from my before pics, I got to there 100% natty ive been weight training for 14 years now, I hit a plateau and wanna smash it! But my goal is def NOT bodybuilding. I grapple and kickbox, too much muscle is not beneficial, just love pushing myself.

Keeping track of your progress is VITAL to success.. it motivates you, when you see hard proof that you are improving.

[Neevor]

Keeping track of your progress is VITAL to success.. it motivates you, when you see hard proof that you are improving.

F@$% YEAH Gambit!!

[gambit85]

F@$% YEAH Gambit!!

**** YEA IS RIGHT! I just SMASHED my previous best deadlift of 385 with a 405 whaaaaatttuuuppp!!!
Remember I weigh in at a measly 160 lol :P

[scottroxx]

I find this shoulder thing interesting as I have scar tissue build up everywhere from all the years and doing cycles with ed shots for 4 months ...ughhh. Getting harder and harder every year. I have done up to 5cc in my shoulders with no issues which is in another post on that topic of excessive shots. I start tren a today, finally Sumthin to cut the prop... Yaahh and start winny in another. 5 days.. I'm hoovering around 202 lbs mark with just over 4 weeks to go. Right on track!!! Dropping carbs slight starting this weekend. Gettin close... \m/

[Lunk1]

**** YEA IS RIGHT! I just SMASHED my previous best deadlift of 385 with a 405 whaaaaatttuuuppp!!!
Remember I weigh in at a measly 160 lol :P

Way to go killa! Tearing it up!

[gambit85]

I find this shoulder thing interesting as I have scar tissue build up everywhere from all the years and doing cycles with ed shots for 4 months ...ughhh. Getting harder and harder every year. I have done up to 5cc in my shoulders with no issues which is in another post on that topic of excessive shots. I start tren a today, finally Sumthin to cut the prop... Yaahh and start winny in another. 5 days.. I'm hoovering around 202 lbs mark with just over 4 weeks to go. Right on track!!! Dropping carbs slight starting this weekend. Gettin close... \m/

ouch scott that suck, what are you competing in?/

[gambit85]

Hey do you guys heat up the barrel with hot water before injecting??

[measuretwicecutonce]

id take those dosages n make them ED.

[measuretwicecutonce]

Hey do you guys heat up the barrel with hot water before injecting??

its easier to heat up the vial. microwave, hot pan, bottle on pot on stove, run under hot water, ....

[measuretwicecutonce]

No AI needed. masterone will help lower e itself. caber on hand for tren sides.

[gambit85]

is 15 days in long enough for the sides to develop if so then I have absolutely none right now, had one night of sweats thats it..

[Lunk1]

No AI needed. masterone will help lower e itself. caber on hand for tren sides.

This is not true entirely...

Mast will HELP lower E but dose not do a good enough job of it to ignore the use of an AI!!!

[Lunk1]

is 15 days in long enough for the sides to develop if so then I have absolutely none right now, had one night of sweats thats it..

Your getting right in that sweet spot meaning sides COULD start to develop at this point may may not for a bit as well

[Lunk1]

its easier to heat up the vial. microwave, hot pan, bottle on pot on stove, run under hot water, ....

OP,,do not put a vial in a microwave. The damn tops are aluminum. SPARKS!

heating oil to make injections easier of avoid PIP is crap. The amount you would have to heat the oil in order to "thin" it is over the top. This is another steroid myth followed by many!

[gambit85]

OP,,do not put a vial in a microwave. The damn tops are aluminum. SPARKS!

heating oil to make injections easier of avoid PIP is crap. The amount you would have to heat the oil in order to "thin" it is over the top. This is another steroid myth followed by many!

hmm really?? I always run my barrel under hot water, and can feel the barrel is slightly warmer, I just thought maybe it is working, since ive NEVER had pain injecting tren , but everyone seems to say it burns going in.
Also I use 25guage and dont seem to have any problems getting the fluid through but I ALWAYS heat, and this isnt even something I read, just some common sense I applied since oil is more viscous when cold...


ps whats PIP?

[Lunk1]

hmm really?? I always run my barrel under hot water, and can feel the barrel is slightly warmer, I just thought maybe it is working, since ive NEVER had pain injecting tren , but everyone seems to say it burns going in.
Also I use 25guage and dont seem to have any problems getting the fluid through but I ALWAYS heat, and this isnt even something I read, just some common sense I applied since oil is more viscous when cold...


ps whats PIP?

Post Injection Pain

Try the same procedure cold and I guarantee you will not have any diff, results. Consider a car motor and the amount of heat that it takes to thin oil...a little warm water isnt going to cut it.

[gambit85]

Post Injection Pain

Try the same procedure cold and I guarantee you will not have any diff, results. Consider a car motor and the amount of heat that it takes to thin oil...a little warm water isnt going to cut it.

well it clearly wont be thinned out to the degree that engine oil is, however it is still a basic law of thermodynamics... heat decreases viscosity, it may not even be noticeable with the amount that running it under water is, but it certainly should make it flow easier and spread more.. I WILL try my next shot cold just to compare, but it cant hurt to heat it a bit, I was just asking what most peoples method, and practises are, because I just always have done it when thinking about oil being absorbed by the muscle it just made sense. theory and practise are not always the same tho

[Lunk1]

well it clearly wont be thinned out to the degree that engine oil is, however it is still a basic law of thermodynamics... heat decreases viscosity, it may not even be noticeable with the amount that running it under water is, but it certainly should make it flow easier and spread more.. I WILL try my next shot cold just to compare, but it cant hurt to heat it a bit, I was just asking what most peoples method, and practises are, because I just always have done it when thinking about oil being absorbed by the muscle it just made sense. theory and practise are not always the same tho

heat deceases viscosity...YES but at what teperture would you have to heat the oil that suspends your gear before this happens. Warm tap water aint going to cut it. Its a widely practiced MYTH! Not to mention...I am way to concerned about contaminates to mess around with running water over the barrel and all that jazz. Out of the package, in the vial, in my ass!

[hyphy_beast]

I always used to heat about half an inch of water in the bottom of a bowl to scalding hot, and let my bottle of test sit in it for a few minutes, then draw it up. It made it noticeably thinner. However, did it make pip any better? Not really. It hurt more some days than others.

Although doing squats after injection in one of my glutes felt like it helped to spread the oil out more and help with pip. Rather not be able to walk cause of squats than because of a sore injection site

[Lunk1]

This method is much safer and provides the heat necessary to thin the oil.

It would be interesting to see how many vets and long time users practice heating gear. My guess is not many!

[measuretwicecutonce]

OP,,do not put a vial in a microwave. The damn tops are aluminum. SPARKS!

heating oil to make injections easier of avoid PIP is crap. The amount you would have to heat the oil in order to "thin" it is over the top. This is another steroid myth followed by many!

depends on ur microwave bro, i got one of those ok to put silverware n metal in. i almost ALWAYS heat my gear b4 inject, i use hot plate. it does thin the oil. it does reduce pip, n does make the actual injection ezier.

[Lunk1]

depends on ur microwave bro, i got one of those ok to put silverware n metal in. i almost ALWAYS heat my gear b4 inject, i use hot plate. it does thin the oil. it does reduce pip, n does make the actual injection ezier.

Congratz...it's in your head but congratz

[measuretwicecutonce]

This is not true entirely...

Mast will HELP lower E but dose not do a good enough job of it to ignore the use of an AI!!!

hes not even doing 30mg of prop ED . i doubt he'll need an AI WITHOUT the mast. this my personal opinion/experience

[measuretwicecutonce]

Congratz...it's in your head but congratz

lol its not.

[gambit85]

hes not even doing 30mg of prop ED . i doubt he'll need an AI WITHOUT the mast. this my personal opinion/experience

I got gyno from my cycle that was 600 test e ew and anavar , I seem to be prone and in fact already have noticed some sensitivity in this cycke, which is why I poped a 1/4 of a 1.25mg femera tab and I wish I hadnt because my water is dropping bad and im on dbol and chugging 8 liters a day, man that stuff is waaaay too strong.

aromasin from now on..

look at my water.. and I seriously rink 8 litres a day


ps. at the beginning of cycle I was very dehydrated was sick for a bit, usually im around 107-110 water off cycle.

[Lunk1]

I got gyno from my cycle that was 600 test e ew and anavar , I seem to be prone and in fact already have noticed some sensitivity in this cycke, which is why I poped a 1/4 of a 1.25mg femera tab and I wish I hadnt because my water is dropping bad and im on dbol and chugging 8 liters a day, man that stuff is waaaay too strong.

aromasin from now on..

look at my water.. and I seriously rink 8 litres a day
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ps. at the beginning of cycle I was very dehydrated was sick for a bit, usually im around 107-110 water off cycle.

Thats alot of quad and glute pinning buddy...give that delt a try

[gambit85]

Thats alot of quad and glute pinning buddy...give that delt a try

It is once a spot per week, ive never been sore when hitting the same spot but I woudlnt mind spreading it more..
I wont be able to reach my delts, my shoulders are very tight and have a few injuries, I would be in pain trying to stay steady while injecting, it wouldnt go over well, and I have to be able to do my own shots.
Any other suggestions where its easy to do it solo?