Thread: test 400 first cycle
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09-28-2012, 06:09 PM #1New Member
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test 400 first cycle
Hey im 6ft weight 220 pounds 33inch waist and been training all natural. This is my first ever cycle a buddy of mine set me up with a provider he recommended test 400 pin twice a week for 12 weeks then 2 weeks after take anti estrogen tamoxiflen if I can remember correctly I looked this up used for women with breast cancer but has the propertys to sort me out after cycle. Is this a nice and easy cycle to start off with? Thanks people :-)
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09-28-2012, 06:11 PM #2Originally Posted by uk firebreather
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09-28-2012, 06:11 PM #3
What is your BF% and age???
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09-28-2012, 06:12 PM #4
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09-28-2012, 06:13 PM #5New Member
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Dang sorry guys 27 and bf is between 10-15%
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09-28-2012, 06:18 PM #6Originally Posted by uk firebreather
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09-28-2012, 06:18 PM #7Originally Posted by Lunk1
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09-28-2012, 06:18 PM #8New Member
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Roger that cheers :-)
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09-28-2012, 06:19 PM #9New Member
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Btw guys this an American site? :-D its dam epic!!!
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09-28-2012, 06:24 PM #10
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09-28-2012, 06:26 PM #11New Member
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Ad the Clomid or replace the other with Clomid? They do both the same? And thanks im glad to be here its fantastic forum with people with the same interests as me how can I lose lol :-)
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09-28-2012, 06:29 PM #12New Member
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Oh an ai no I don't mate wasn't discussed do I take this with test or after?
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09-28-2012, 06:32 PM #13
ai you keep it at hand and take it only if you feel libido is down, because that's the point where you're turning into a woman and growing titties.
Otherwise I think the standard protocol for PCT is to take both nolva and clomid as follow:
(mg per day/week)
Nolva: 20/20/20/20
Clomid: 100/100/50/50
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09-28-2012, 06:34 PM #14New Member
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Cool thank you.... And thanks for your time guys :-)
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09-28-2012, 07:04 PM #15
Do not listen to that advise!!! Its simply incorrect!
You need to use the AI through the entire cycle to combat more than just gyno. It helps with high BP, high cholesterol,and anumber of other high estro sides.
Also your PCT protocal should be Nolva 40/20/20/20 clomid 100/50/50/50
Make SURE you have everything before you start
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09-28-2012, 07:09 PM #16Originally Posted by acidking
More common pct is probably 40/20/20/20 nolva 100/50/50/50 clomid.
All of these elements are gonna be necessary if you wanna do it right brother
Do some more research in the stickies on pct, serms, ai, and hcg as suggested earlier, and then lay it all out so someone can double check you. Also, as I've learned from experience, you should lay your diet out in the nutrition forum for critique. It is even more crucial than the test itself.
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09-28-2012, 07:10 PM #17Originally Posted by Lunk1
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09-28-2012, 07:11 PM #18
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09-28-2012, 07:14 PM #19
You certainly should not rely on ai to combat high cholesterol and blood pressure, use the meds for what they're made for. A healthy diet will lower your cholesterol oatmeal help lower cholesterol, dark 80% cocoa chocolate before workout works great for me, a small bite totally eliminates high bp during the work out.
Last edited by acidking; 09-28-2012 at 07:16 PM.
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09-28-2012, 07:18 PM #20
Here's a guy complaining his libido crashed, obviously because he ran ai from day one for no reason: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UGZMLfmPvuU
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09-28-2012, 07:22 PM #21Originally Posted by acidking
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09-28-2012, 07:26 PM #22Originally Posted by acidking
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09-28-2012, 07:26 PM #23
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09-28-2012, 07:29 PM #24Originally Posted by acidking
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09-28-2012, 07:29 PM #25
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09-28-2012, 07:35 PM #26Originally Posted by acidking
Last edited by hyphy_beast; 09-28-2012 at 07:37 PM.
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09-28-2012, 07:37 PM #27
If you're aware, not all people are prone to sides, some never took ai and never got sides, some are very sensitive and get sides quickly, OP is planning for his first cycle and you're asking him to take ai straight up? Totally wrong. There's a chance he may not need it at all, if so it would end up causing more harm than good. Stop giving people advice.
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09-28-2012, 07:40 PM #28Originally Posted by acidking
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09-28-2012, 07:42 PM #29
I heard of running a low dose of nolva during cycle, but not ai from day one.
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09-28-2012, 07:52 PM #30
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto
Perhaps it is you who should not be giving advice huh?
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09-28-2012, 08:11 PM #31
That study is on women, it even mentions that, it makes it irrelevant. But fine, take what you want. There's no talking you out of it.
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09-28-2012, 08:17 PM #32Originally Posted by acidking
OP please get feedback from others before thinking you don't need an ai. Don't take my word for it
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09-29-2012, 01:15 AM #33Originally Posted by hyphy_beast
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09-29-2012, 01:20 AM #34
Just to add to consensus, I recommend taking an AI throughout as well.
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09-30-2012, 07:20 AM #35Junior Member
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This forums current active members are very 1 dimensional in their way of thinking. It's either their way or the highway. I agree that most people need an AI(myself included), but not all do. If someone has a different opinion, that doesn't necessarily make then wrong. You guys are like a pack of Pitt bulls.
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09-30-2012, 07:21 AM #36Junior Member
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Oh yeah, and I agree. You should take an AI from day 1 as well.
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