24/7 chest discomfort and heart beat awareness after cycle

**gv77** · 10-03-2012, 10:14 PM

Hey Guys,

I just wanna give a brief rundown of my situation and get your opinions on it, all of which are greatly appreciated.

I've been working out since I was 15, I'm now 27 (non stop). I began my first basic cycle when I was 19 and did another one when I was 22, I decided to do another one a couple years ago but unfortunately I overdosed a bit (stupid I know) ...

I ended up running the cycle way longer then initially planned at doses higher then what I should have been taken

I cant remember the exact cycle however it was approximately the following:

Week 1-20: 800 mg test
week 1-14:fina
week 1-18: EQ

PCT clomid and NOVLA

That being said I'll tell you what happened...

One night while I was pinning I felt a small uncomfortable sensation on my left breast (near heart area) ... it was hinda like a hiccup or a small bubble bursting...
In anycase I thought nothing of it and continued on... the next day I felt an awkward awareness of my heart beat and felt chest discomort (a fullness kind of feeling) I would also get the occasional sharp chest pain and sometimes it goes to my back...

... I excused it all saying it was due to high blood pressure from being on cycle... I thought it was no big deal and would go away once I ended my cycle... so I continued my cycle for another 6 weeks or so.

fast forward 6 months and I've now been off cycle for quiet a while... the discomfort is still there following by a occasional tightness and I always have an awareness of my heart beat followed by an occasional palpitation or extremely noticeable heartbeat whenever i go up the stairs or some short burst activity or anxiety. For the first couple months I would also get sharp chest pains (thought i was having a heart attack) ... This ended me up in the emergency twice...

I did multiple EKG's, lung xray, 2 electrocardiographs, 2 stress tests, 1 24 hours halter monitor... and.... tests showed absolutely nothing... cardiologists says my heart is totally fine...
... Now their suggesting either musculoskeletal or gas related ... Going to have me drink barium and do xrays to check for gerds and stuff (total nonsense imo but just to explain away possibilities..)

It's been a year now and I'm still too paranoid to cycle... but I'm going nuts working out purely natural... I see no gains just maintenance and its rather demotivating...

I still feel the discomfort, occasional pain in the back and get the occasional palpitation... my heartbeat awarenesss is still there and overly annoying... sometimes i still feel tightness and almost like a vibration feeling in my left breast...

I would never do what I did and learned quiet the lesson from abusing steroids like an idiot...

I'm considering doing a test only cycle at 500mg as week and cycling it on and off for 10-12 weeks at a time tops...

But I would really value your oppinons on this situation or any possible ideas as to what may be happening to me... and wither or not I can get away with doing a very basic cycle..

Thanks alot for reading and your feedback

**GymHero** · 10-03-2012, 10:17 PM

Have you ever had anxiety?

**austinite** · 10-03-2012, 10:23 PM

Some of these symptoms sound like pleurisy. Do you ever feel like you can't take a deep breath for several minutes?

**Wazz** · 10-03-2012, 10:29 PM

Would you be willing to offer up a bit more on the heart symtoms? Have you had Tachycardia (Rapid heart rate for extended period of time), or any other type where you can give numbers?

^^ Anxiety could be a result as stated above but you didn't mention that you has a Cardiac Echo! Sure all of the other tests are fine but with an Echo you can literally see verything your heart is doing inside & out. Valves, plague build-up, just amazing. & very important. If you are clear on an Echo than i'd say its not heart related. However its your heart & your life! Good luck!

Wazz

**gv77** · 10-03-2012, 10:30 PM

I never had anxiety... im a rather peaceful guy (probably cause im single) ....

With regards to pleurisy... I unfortunately cannot make the sharp pain to appear in a way which would indicate its a inflamtion, and the uncomfortable feeling is more like a dull/fullness rather then sharp and stabbing, although I get those occasionally I doubt a bit if they are even related. I've never had a situation where I can't take a deep breath for several minutes.

**gv77** · 10-03-2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Wazz

Would you be willing to offer up a bit more on the heart symtoms? Have you had Tachycardia (Rapid heart rate for extended period of time), or any other type where you can give numbers?

^^ Anxiety could be a result as stated above but you didn't mention that you has a Cardiac Echo! Sure all of the other tests are fine but with an Echo you can literally see verything your heart is doing inside & out. Valves, plague build-up, just amazing. & very important. If you are clear on an Echo than i'd say its not heart related. However its your heart & your life! Good luck!

Wazz

Ive never had any heart issues or awareness prior to this situation (nor do I get that now more then a normal heart rate would be during workout)... When I do workout though I feel my heart beat extremely strong, I can even feel it in my neck or under my ribcage.... Funny thing is if i go and get my blood pressure checked while I'm feeling it they say its normal... weird .. =/

**Bonaparte** · 10-03-2012, 10:35 PM

Have you seen an independent cardiologist, or just ER docs?

**gv77** · 10-03-2012, 10:39 PM

2 independent cardiologists, 2 emergency doc's, and 4 general practitioners... and I assure you I'm the farthest thing from a hypochondriac lol

**Wazz** · 10-03-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by gv77

Ive never had any heart issues or awareness prior to this situation (nor do I get that now more then a normal heart rate would be during workout)... When I do workout though I feel my heart beat extremely strong, I can even feel it in my neck or under my ribcage.... Funny thing is if i go and get my blood pressure checked while I'm feeling it they say its normal... weird .. =/

Add in what Bonaparte just said about a Cardiologist & that I'm now remembering things that with what you just described you should have not only had the stress test (which i think you had) but also have been placed on whats called a Tilt Table (Tilt Test). You're clearly saying that you feel your heart. IMO, I wouldn't cycle without getting furthur cardio work-up & bring a list of ALL symptoms (because people always forget somethings). Take it easy until you get this solved... If it was because of the past cycle it should have resolved.

I just wouldn't want you to collapse in the gym & that be it for you. I've been in your shoes but due to getting blown up in Iraq.. Sometimes 6 tests will clear you but its the 7th or 8th that hits the big OH CRAP!

Wazz

**gv77** · 10-03-2012, 10:57 PM

I'm really wondering how reliable those tests actually are... When I would question the doctors as to what other precautions I could take or what further tests could be done they almost make me feel stupid... as thought the machines (electrocardiograph) are the infallible guide to my health. One doctor even said "machines dont make mistakes, people do." ....

Anywho according to them I'm totally at peace doing a small test cycle... but this feeling doesnt just go away and I cant pretend it isnt there... so I have to doubt something... =/

**Bonaparte** · 10-03-2012, 11:16 PM

Are you taking any meds?
What are your stats?
How is your cardio endurance?

**Wazz** · 10-03-2012, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by gv77

I'm really wondering how reliable those tests actually are... When I would question the doctors as to what other precautions I could take or what further tests could be done they almost make me feel stupid... as thought the machines (electrocardiograph) are the infallible guide to my health. One doctor even said "machines dont make mistakes, people do." ....

Anywho according to them I'm totally at peace doing a small test cycle... but this feeling doesnt just go away and I cant pretend it isnt there... so I have to doubt something... =/

My best advise, bring everything (records) that has been tested. Bring a full list of ALL symptoms, to include a small (weeks) log of what happens. Then specifically ask for a Cardiac Echo. Imagine an Ultrasound but in High Def... Not only will the technician or Cardiac Doc be doing it, but you are right there laying down looking at your heart on the screen. its recorded & reviewed, but if anythings wrong you'll/they'll see it right then. It'll start on the outside of the heart & every angle he changes will reveal more. you'll see your arteries, valves pumping, everything....

If that test is OK then you can rule it out. It takes about 20 minutes & is amazingly accurate & reliable. IF anything is wrong with your ticker it'll be seen. There's nothing wrong with requesting an Echo. Beyond this I'm at a loss, Good Luck,

Wazz

**gv77** · 10-04-2012, 08:40 PM

Im not taking any medication at all:
Stats are: 27 years old
bf: 12%
weight 200 lbs

Waz I did all those test and all said my heart was fine so I dont know what else to do...

**dec11** · 10-04-2012, 08:56 PM

i get that palpitation all the time on cycle and while esters are fading out of my system. its a pulse beat just behind the sternum. always goes away after cycle levels have faded away. it can be annoying at night as it beats constantly to the point i can hear it!

you do realise that your heart is central, and not to the left? could be lung related

**gv77** · 10-04-2012, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

i get that palpitation all the time on cycle and while esters are fading out of my system. its a pulse beat just behind the sternum. always goes away after cycle levels have faded away. it can be annoying at night as it beats constantly to the point i can hear it!

you do realise that your heart is central, and not to the left? could be lung related

funny thing is I have this feeling ongoing since my cycle... and I've been off cycle for a year now...

Yes I realize that my heart is more central but I cant deny the fact that i'm extremely aware of my pulse now... more so on the left side... Did a lung xray and nothing... cant even begin to understand what this could be =(

I wanna do a test cycle but just so nervous about it... might just try it and see how it goes...

**--->>405<<---** · 10-04-2012, 09:33 PM

sounds like it could be anxiety man. anxiety can mimick heart related probs almost identically. maybe all u need is some valium or xanax LOL.. worth looking into IMO. ive had similar experiences when my E2 was fairly elevated. (elevated E2 can cause anxiety)

**dec11** · 10-04-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by gv77

funny thing is I have this feeling ongoing since my cycle... and I've been off cycle for a year now...

Yes I realize that my heart is more central but I cant deny the fact that i'm extremely aware of my pulse now... more so on the left side... Did a lung xray and nothing... cant even begin to understand what this could be =(

I wanna do a test cycle but just so nervous about it... might just try it and see how it goes...

can just be a nerve mate, at times i get a flutter in my eyelid which lasts for months at a time and i suspect its something similar in my chest

**dec11** · 10-04-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by --->>405<<---

sounds like it could be anxiety man. anxiety can mimick heart related probs almost identically. maybe all u need is some valium or xanax LOL.. worth looking into IMO. ive had similar experiences when my E2 was fairly elevated. (elevated E2 can cause anxiety)

anxiety will have mental unease attached to it also.

sometimes mine will just give a few loud thumps randomly off cycle as well, ive told my doc and she's not concerned about it, she says all my other health checks (on trt) are perfect

**GreatSuccess** · 10-04-2012, 10:03 PM

Man, I've been having that eye flutter for 3 weeks now. And I also suffer from anxiety I guess and haven't touched a weight in 5 months cause I'm too afraid. I was going through withdrawal using some illicit/not that illicit green substance and since then it seems I can't do any activity without feeling a flutter in my neck/chest or my heart pounding heavy. I'm currently getting tests done. Had a holter monitor on for 2 days, going for a stress test. I also suffer from high blood pressure though. I feel like I have become a hypochondriac.

**Wazz** · 10-04-2012, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by gv77

Im not taking any medication at all:
Stats are: 27 years old
bf: 12%
weight 200 lbs

Waz I did all those test and all said my heart was fine so I dont know what else to do...

If you had the tests & have actually been cleared by Cardio then I believe your Doctors as well. It really sounds like you have hit everything. Now, there are test that even can tell if you've had small attacks ect... But I don't know if a murmur (spelling?) can be picked up unless it happens at the time..

I know you were sent home with something to record 24 hour stats & if you had the same feeling or episode while being monitored then you can rest assured your heart is gtg. I really hope you get this figured out.

My second & natural thought would be what others implied & it's anxiety. Nothing at all funny about panic attacks and/ or anxiety attacks & I've heard that even very minor ones mimic what you've described so its tuff. Ive had major anxiety & panic attacks (both differ greatly in my case), anxiety basically feeling like im having a heart attack & cant breath assosiated w/ pain & zpanic attacks (extremelty scary) where everything is so freakin far away & a sense of imminent death combined with utter darkness (undescribable) envelopes.....

Maybe your cycle had nothing to do with this at all & it was just timing. If cardio checks out & you pass a physical (including blood work) with flying colors then maybe do another cycle but maybe with limited gear as to see if it's a certain "tool" causing the issue..

Best of luck, Wazz

**gv77** · 10-04-2012, 11:43 PM

Its interesting you mention aniexty... Is it even possible to feel those effects from anxiety even when you get upfirst thing in the morning 24/7 for the past year? If thats possible perhaps i have a flawed view of what anxiety is and leads too...

Thanks for your concern waz

**GreatSuccess** · 10-05-2012, 12:04 AM

Anxiety is a state of mind and stays with you while you sleep and when you're up. It will make you hyper-aware of your physical condition. Sometimes you won't know what came first, the anxiety, or the symptoms of heart palpitations, flutter, brain fog, hyper-awareness, etc. During stressful periods in your life, even when you think you're cool, anxiety will creep up and you'll begin the vicious cycle. It operates on a conscious and subconscious level.