Philosophical Question, If you have used AAS can you EVER say your natural again?

[thex95]

I don’t know why but I have been giving this some thought lately. To me it seems like claiming your natural when you have used AAS before has both arguments for and against it. As AAS just like anything else is eventually worked out of your body to me it would appear that you can say your natural when you no longer have any AAS in your system. However you might have retained size and strength from your cycle which would make you un-natural because without the use of AAS you wouldn’t have those size and strength gains.

So lets say a guy does a cycle of test prop 2 years ago to put this into a concrete situation. Would you say he is now 2 years later “natural”?

Hope to hear some educated insights on this one.

[Chris J]

considering the person would have lost all of their gains from that cycle two years ago, and the AAS would be loooong gone from their system, any momentum or gains they are seeing now would be "natural".

[Anabolick]

considering the person would have lost all of their gains from that cycle two years ago, and the AAS would be loooong gone from their system, any momentum or gains they are seeing now would be "natural".

Most retarded thing I have ever read. And you only lose steroid gains with an improper diet or if your body can't support the mass off cycle (past your genetic limit).




If you have ever cycled AAS, you are not natural, claiming natural is a different story.

[GreatSuccess]

Steroids only work when you're on them. To most uneducated folks, If you took steroids one time you will be forever unnatural. This is not true.

Are you natural? Yes.

Have you always been natural? No.

[Anabolick]

Steroids only work when you're on them. To most uneducated folks, If you took steroids one time you will be forever unnatural. This is not true.

Are you natural? Yes.

Have you always been natural? No.

How do steroids only work when you're on them? If you are not keeping your gains from steroids, you are doing it very wrong.


Only way possible someone could be considered natty after AAS usage is if they trained naturally to their genetic limit, juiced past it, and shrank back down.


But on that note, the general public is oblivious and you can claim whatever you want.

[GreatSuccess]

Well if you are not at your genetic limit then what business have you doing steroids ? And waiting till after pct or even 2 months after does not constitute what you kept from the cycle. Wait a year with natural training and then see.

[Atomini]

Who cares?

Steroids are natural.

People who go around saying they're natural are also taking powdered creatine, pre-workout powders, and a myriad of other things. How is that 'natural'?

Even the act of bodybuilding / weight training / athletics is unnatural in and of itself. My point here is, there is no such god damn thing as 'natural'. None of it is. Even the nature of training in the gym is not natural! You're going into the gym to train with the purpose of changing and enhancing the body's natural state of being into a much stronger more enhanced and/or aesthetically pleasing one. The idea of training is to enhance oneself to become bigger and stronger.

[BUTTERYGOODNESS]

Who cares?

Steroids are natural.

People who go around saying they're natural are also taking powdered creatine, pre-workout powders, and a myriad of other things. How is that 'natural'?

Even the act of bodybuilding / weight training / athletics is unnatural in and of itself. My point here is, there is no such god damn thing as 'natural'. None of it is. Even the nature of training in the gym is not natural! You're going into the gym to train with the purpose of changing and enhancing the body's natural state of being into a much stronger more enhanced and/or aesthetically pleasing one. The idea of training is to enhance oneself to become bigger and stronger.

I agree with this. Natural is just letting ur body go which ever way it tends to with no catalysts channeling it to change a certain way. So u might be able to say just general food choices of someone that doesn't even partake in physical activity makes them unnatural because in way coaxes the body to one direction and another into a different direction. So with so many variables and no clear cut in stone definition of what you must do to e 'natural' there is no such thing as natural.

Probably just reworded somethings u put. Just my two cents for those who might not have understood.

[warmouth]

Anabolik, easy up bud. You are heading down the wrong path with these type of posts.

[Times Roman]

I agree with this. Natural is just letting ur body go which ever way it tends to with no catalysts channeling it to change a certain way. So u might be able to say just general food choices of someone that doesn't even partake in physical activity makes them unnatural because in way coaxes the body to one direction and another into a different direction. So with so many variables and no clear cut in stone definition of what you must do to e 'natural' there is no such thing as natural.

Probably just reworded somethings u put. Just my two cents for those who might not have understood.

really not even sure, when you get right down to it, what "natural" is?

pretty much EVERYTHING is from/of nature.

i think the spirit of this is that it conforms with nature. So with this in mind, to be totally natural, all you can do is eat and drink unprocessed food. No vitamins. No protein powder. No Creatine. No gatoraide.

Just whole foods.

[--->>405<<---]

who cares?

Steroids are natural.

People who go around saying they're natural are also taking powdered creatine, pre-workout powders, and a myriad of other things. How is that 'natural'?

Even the act of bodybuilding / weight training / athletics is unnatural in and of itself. My point here is, there is no such god damn thing as 'natural'. None of it is. Even the nature of training in the gym is not natural! You're going into the gym to train with the purpose of changing and enhancing the body's natural state of being into a much stronger more enhanced and/or aesthetically pleasing one. The idea of training is to enhance oneself to become bigger and stronger.

really not even sure, when you get right down to it, what "natural" is?

Pretty much everything is from/of nature.

I think the spirit of this is that it conforms with nature. So with this in mind, to be totally natural, all you can do is eat and drink unprocessed food. No vitamins. No protein powder. No creatine. No gatoraide.

Just whole foods.

heres some natural FOR U lol...

[binsser]

yes u can how is it not natural anyway for you too not be natty ud have to be on all year round if not then after cycle your now building natty so yes cause u can specialy when most people say u lose all your gains after you stop cycle?????? ha ha ha yeah cause you do tsk.......

[kelkel]

"Natural" in bodybuiding terms mean you passed the drug test / polygraph, or at least got around it! A friend of mine used to do more in a week than I would in an entire cycle. He did well in several larger competitions, etc. He almost got himself arrested and lost his job over his usage. He cleaned up, is much smaller now but did recently win his pro card in a natural organization (obviously not a life time natural organization.)

So, is he natural? Now, yes. Before, no.

I agree with Automini...

[Times Roman]

heres some natural FOR U lol...

ha ha ha!

you're on trt mate! =)

some would say that is not Natural

[--->>405<<---]

ha ha ha!

you're on trt mate! =)

some would say that is not Natural

LOL.. yeh. but i dont give a &%@*!!!

[Times Roman]

LOL.. yeh. but i dont give a &%@*!!!

are we allowed to say "&%@*" ?????????

[--->>405<<---]

are we allowed to say "&%@*" ?????????

LOL.. well i continue to try to reduce/eliminate profanity from my vocabulary. sometimes its difficult..

[gonzo6183]

Imo no

[< <Samson> >]

Naturally Anabolic !

I say whatever just because it sounds good. Most people think if you juice you are given Cutler's body just because you shot up.

"We" know this is a joke. I work out harder now then ever. . . The only thing the juice gives me is the results I should have with insane genetics.


Geez you are swoled up - - -All natural, steroids are for losers. Only body builders do dat shit.

[Anabolick]

This thread has really turned me off from the whole community.



You cannot compare putting hormones into your body to Whey,Creatine and Weight lifting....

You guys are just making up your own definition of natural. It refers and has always referred to the exclusion of AAS/PH/Banned Substances in your lifetime. (In the Bodybuilding community)

You cannot compare an athlete who has never taken to AAS compared to one who has ridden some proper cycles...




Lying to others is your choice but its really sad to see so many of you lying to yourselves.

[ppwc1985]

Who cares, lol go to bed young one.

[MuscleInk]

Who cares?

Steroids are natural.

People who go around saying they're natural are also taking powdered creatine, pre-workout powders, and a myriad of other things. How is that 'natural'?

Even the act of bodybuilding / weight training / athletics is unnatural in and of itself. My point here is, there is no such god damn thing as 'natural'. None of it is. Even the nature of training in the gym is not natural! You're going into the gym to train with the purpose of changing and enhancing the body's natural state of being into a much stronger more enhanced and/or aesthetically pleasing one. The idea of training is to enhance oneself to become bigger and stronger.

I'm completely with Atomini on this. WHO CARES!?!?

OP, not that it isn't an interesting question philosphically, but I lift and train and cycle for myself, not anyone else, so I don't care if they approve or otherwise. I don't publicize it (well, other than here, lol) so people can think what ever they want.

[Honkey_Kong]

I'm completely with Atomini on this. WHO CARES!?!?

OP, not that it isn't an interesting question philosphically, but I lift and train and cycle for myself, not anyone else, so I don't care if they approve or otherwise. I don't publicize it (well, other than here, lol) so people can think what ever they want.

I agree with Dr. MI here..... Who the fvck cares if you're "natural" or not? If you don't have to pass a drug test, it doesn't matter in the first place.

But speaking of "natural," you guys ever see Minute Maid's "ALL NATURAL" lemonade that doesn't contain any fruit juice? The word doesn't mean shit anyways.

[thex95]

Well personally I do care just for my own mindset on if I am natural or not.

Also to everyone saying "who cares" I just thought I would mix up the forum a bit not trying to take the piss outa anyone. Also if you truly at the depths of your soul did not care whatsoever about this question would you really have posted anything as opposed to just giving the thread a quick glance...? Something to think about.

[cherrydrpepper]

To the OP my advice is as soon as a girl starts blowing you, come clean. Admit that you took aas a while ago, and and now youre getting a bj from a hot chick. Tell her you aren't sure you could have gotten a chick as hot as her without a little help back then, even though you think all the effects including muscle gains are out of your system. This is the only way you are going to enjoy that blowjob. Id like to answer your question, with a couple of questions. First, how long is the string? Second, how do you correct uneven elbows? And finally, recent polls have shown that a fifth of americans can't locate the US on a world map why do you think this is?

[thex95]

sorry mate I think I am missing the reference here?

To the OP my advice is as soon as a girl starts blowing you, come clean. Admit that you took aas a while ago, and and now youre getting a bj from a hot chick. Tell her you aren't sure you could have gotten a chick as hot as her without a little help back then, even though you think all the effects including muscle gains are out of your system. This is the only way you are going to enjoy that blowjob. Id like to answer your question, with a couple of questions. First, how long is the string? Second, how do you correct uneven elbows? And finally, recent polls have shown that a fifth of americans can't locate the US on a world map why do you think this is? DAFUQ??

[Atomini]

Well personally I do care just for my own mindset on if I am natural or not.

Also to everyone saying "who cares" I just thought I would mix up the forum a bit not trying to take the piss outa anyone. Also if you truly at the depths of your soul did not care whatsoever about this question would you really have posted anything as opposed to just giving the thread a quick glance...? Something to think about.

I find statements like these in bold to be extremely rediculous. I posted that I don't care about the whole 'unnatural vs natural' philosophical debacle surrounding atheltics and bodybuilding, and I stated my reasons WHY. Why the heck would I give the thread a quick glance when you posted here asking this philosophical question of yours and have people chime in? I chimed in.

[Sworder]

Every time I look myself in the mirror I think "CHEATER CHEATER"

[thex95]

I find statements like these in bold to be extremely rediculous. I posted that I don't care about the whole 'unnatural vs natural' philosophical debacle surrounding atheltics and bodybuilding, and I stated my reasons WHY. Why the heck would I give the thread a quick glance when you posted here asking this philosophical question of yours and have people chime in? I chimed in.

Its not ridulous at all its just another opinion. **** this shit people cant have a neautral value completley objective debate over anything. I will just leave the aas forums to the typical threads;
80%---> my first cycle
19%---> Im doing an oral only cycle
1%---> actual new usefull info.

I'm out, have a good one all.

[dec11]

Most retarded thing I have ever read. And you only lose steroid gains with an improper diet or if your body can't support the mass off cycle (past your genetic limit).




If you have ever cycled AAS, you are not natural, claiming natural is a different story.

no Mr shouty, thats the most retarded thing you've ever heard....

[dec11]

steroids = 'of the moment'.

2yrs down the line = 'natural'.

hell, 6mths down the line even = natural, in my book

[austinite]

This thread has really turned me off from the whole community.



You cannot compare putting hormones into your body to Whey,Creatine and Weight lifting....

You guys are just making up your own definition of natural. It refers and has always referred to the exclusion of AAS/PH/Banned Substances in your lifetime. (In the Bodybuilding community)

You cannot compare an athlete who has never taken to AAS compared to one who has ridden some proper cycles...




Lying to others is your choice but its really sad to see so many of you lying to yourselves.

Oh ok. that clears it all up. Thanks. Everyone is happy now and all is good. Outstanding work, sparky!

[dec11]

Oh ok. that clears it all up. Thanks. Everyone is happy now and all is good. Outstanding work, sparky!

hahaha, mind the door on the way now