2nd cycle vets let me know what u think

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 10:32 PM

wassup guys 5'9 210 around 15%bdf looking to get a nice bulk looking for 20 25 pounds been cutting last cycle was tren a test prop masteron tbol 10 wk was runing 350mg test and tren 500 masteron cycle was good little to no sides so going on next one..

wk 1-16 test e 500mg
wk 1-14 tren e 400mg
wk 1- 14 EQ 600mg
WK 1-4 DBOL 40mg
wk 3 - aromazin for water retention if shows up

wk 3 or 4 hcg if needed
pct
nolva clomid hcg and aromisin to prevent any ginecomia if shows up

**Phased** · 10-16-2012, 10:42 PM

Age checks out, what was your before and after stats with it?
I always start HCG week 1 especially if your going to run all those compounds.
HCG 500iu twice a week Monday and Thursday

I dont think EQ is needed with tren , mast and tren work much better together.
I would add the mast and drop the EQ, or just drop the EQ all together.
You can get away with 300mg of tren and I would run it 6-8 weeks at the most at the back end for hardness and to keep the strength/size gains coming

Aromasin needs to be started week 1 and run the entire cycle. 12.5MG EOD.

clomid and Nolva are for pct started two weeks after last injections of test and tren
Half life of tren E I think is 10-11 days so your really waiting the rest of the few days for the test to clear
clomid 70/70/35/35
nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Things to keep on hand
Prami for prolactin, only use if necessary. .125mg ED as needed
On cycle gyno reversal Raloxefine
60-80mg

**Bulkn** · 10-16-2012, 10:44 PM

Too many compounds there for a second cycle. Scrap the EQ it's not needed and run a low dose of Aromasin from day 1. Run hcg during cycle up to pct or 1 week into pct. Otherwise it looks fine.

**austinite** · 10-16-2012, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

wassup guys 5'9 210 around 15%bdf looking to get a nice bulk looking for 20 25 pounds been cutting last cycle was tren a test prop masteron tbol 10 wk was runing 350mg test and tren 500 masteron cycle was good little to no sides so going on next one..

wk 1-16 test e 500mg
wk 1-14 tren e 400mg
wk 1- 14 EQ 600mg
WK 1-4 DBOL 40mg
wk 3 - aromazin for water retention if shows up

wk 3 or 4 hcg if needed
pct
nolva clomid hcg and aromisin to prevent any ginecomia if shows up

Hey man, Welcome aboard

Seems like a pretty hefty 2nd cycle. Normally I wouldn't recommend Tren for a second cycle but you've already used it. I'd bring this cycle down to 12 weeks and I would most certainly drop the EQ. That compound is better off in the trashcan. High RBC, minimal gains and will just make you hungry.

If you have aromasin , I would use it from day one. But I would prefer adex because it works the same day, where aromasin takes about a week to get serum levels up.

I would also use HCG on cycle, not during PCT.

Otherwise, your doses look good.

**bodybuilder** · 10-16-2012, 10:50 PM

I would take out the tren and eq, like said above to many oils for a sec run. Whats the rush? think long term not short term bro.

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:00 PM

i hear u thx i originally was going to run test n tren dbol but i hear eq makes u hungry thats y im looking at it appetite droped a lot after cutting cycle but it kinda extra ill look it over

**austinite** · 10-16-2012, 11:01 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

i hear u thx i originally was going to run test n tren dbol but i hear eq makes u hungry thats y im looking at it appetite droped a lot after cutting cycle but it kinda extra ill look it over

If hunger is the only reason for EQ, switch it for B12 and inject 1000iu daily on cycle.

**Phased** · 10-16-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

If hunger is the only reason for EQ, switch it for B12 and inject 1000iu daily on cycle.

Excellent idea Austin, I need to start remembering to recommend this for people, its easily overlooked many times.

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:04 PM

bulkn i hear u bout the eq austinite i thinking 12 wks also but the eq i hear is better in longer cycles but yea guys i might just dropp the eq.......,,,bodybuilder i already started first cycle with 4 compounds if i bringit down to just test u think i can still make good gains ????

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:06 PM

this a vitamin i hear lot about it but havent checked it out

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:10 PM

guys with out the eq wat ya think about the doses they looking alright or can i up the test???

**austinite** · 10-16-2012, 11:11 PM

^ answered above, twice

**Phased** · 10-16-2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

guys with out the eq wat ya think about the doses they looking alright or can i up the test???

I think we should be lowering dosages and weeks on cycle if anything not raising.

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Age checks out, what was your before and after stats with it?
I always start HCG week 1 especially if your going to run all those compounds.
HCG 500iu twice a week Monday and Thursday

I dont think EQ is needed with tren , mast and tren work much better together.
I would add the mast and drop the EQ, or just drop the EQ all together.
You can get away with 300mg of tren and I would run it 6-8 weeks at the most at the back end for hardness and to keep the strength/size gains coming

Aromasin needs to be started week 1 and run the entire cycle. 12.5MG EOD.

clomid and Nolva are for pct started two weeks after last injections of test and tren
Half life of tren E I think is 10-11 days so your really waiting the rest of the few days for the test to clear
clomid 70/70/35/35
nolvadex 40/40/20/20

Things to keep on hand
Prami for prolactin, only use if necessary. .125mg ED as needed
On cycle gyno reversal Raloxefine
60-80mg

so im droping the eq so u sayng should start tren wk 4 to 12 and stop bouth wk 12 got u bro thx

**Phased** · 10-16-2012, 11:27 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

so im droping the eq so u sayng should start tren wk 4 to 12 and stop bouth wk 12?

Yes drop the EQ, and drop the tren to 300mg, shorten the cycle to 12-14 weeks at the most.
Add in the b-12 and the rest you should be set

I would not be advising you on tren, but since you already took it and had little sides and plan on taking it again, I would rather steer you in the right then argue about it.

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

Yes drop the EQ, and drop the tren to 300mg, shorten the cycle to 12-14 weeks at the most.
Add in the b-12 and the rest you should be set

I would not be advising you on tren, but since you already took it and had little sides and plan on taking it again, I would rather steer you in the right then argue about it.

thx my first cycle i planed it out my self didn't even get on any forums to ask for advice until i was half way and i hear everyone saying bout how bad tren is but i personaly didnt get any sides i did get nasty cough once or twice after jabbin but other than that was good i ahev in hand all those compounds should include th eq on a later cycle or u think is garbage should i just throw away???

**Phased** · 10-16-2012, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

thx my first cycle i planed it out my self didn't even get on any forums to ask for advice until i was half way and i hear everyone saying bout how bad tren is but i personaly didnt get any sides i did get nasty cough once or twice after jabbin but other than that was good i ahev in hand all those compounds should include th eq on a later cycle or u think is garbage should i just throw away???

I cant tell you what to do with the EQ you have. Thats a personal decision.

**bodybuilder** · 10-16-2012, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by totao83

bulkn i hear u bout the eq austinite i thinking 12 wks also but the eq i hear is better in longer cycles but yea guys i might just dropp the eq.......,,,bodybuilder i already started first cycle with 4 compounds if i bringit down to just test u think i can still make good gains ????

Bro some of the best gains i have got have came from test only cycles. I always throw in a test only cycle every few cycles, people underestimate what a test only run can do. Its the base for all cycles for a reason, it works. You can do a test only cycle and kick start with dbol , this should give you great gains.

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Phased

I cant tell you what to do with the EQ you have. Thats a personal decision.

lol i hear u but what im asking is can it help as a bulker cycle another time??? couple my friends do test 600 and eq 600 16wks they swear the shit is a bomb cycle i never had it before all can i say about the compunds i used and i like them the dbol havent done but is sopused to b a major bulker so ill c wat it do for me so yea definately droping eq guess my first taught was right test n tren thx guys

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

^ answered above, twice

austin that u in avatar

**totao83** · 10-16-2012, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by bodybuilder

Bro some of the best gains i have got have came from test only cycles. I always throw in a test only cycle every few cycles, people underestimate what a test only run can do. Its the base for all cycles for a reason, it works. You can do a test only cycle and kick start with dbol, this should give you great gains.

alot cheaper to my buddies tell me all the time go with test only guess next one ill try just test

**totao83** · 10-17-2012, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by totao83

wassup guys 5'9 210 around 15%bdf looking to get a nice bulk looking for 20 25 pounds been cutting last cycle was tren a test prop masteron tbol 10 wk was runing 350mg test and tren 500 masteron cycle was good little to no sides so going on next one..

wk 1-16 test e 500mg
wk 1-14 tren e 400mg
wk 1- 14 EQ 600mg
WK 1-4 DBOL 40mg
wk 3 - aromazin for water retention if shows up

wk 3 or 4 hcg if needed
pct
nolva clomid hcg and aromisin to prevent any ginecomia if shows up

wk
1-12 test 500
4-12 tren 300
1-4 dbol 40mg
hcg 500iu twice a week

aromasin 12.5 mg eod
can i add test prop for the last two weeks and pct 3 days after the two weeks???
pct clomid an nolva....

**Phased** · 10-17-2012, 12:15 AM

Originally Posted by totao83

wk
1-12 test 500
4-12 tren 300
1-4 dbol 40mg
hcg 500iu twice a week

aromasin 12.5 mg eod
can i add test prop for the last two weeks and pct 3 days after the two weeks???
pct clomid an nolva....

Like I said lets keep this down to a 3 med cycle.. We have come along way, the tren and test will more then cover your last two weeks while clearing.
Im liking this a lot better then the one before.

**totao83** · 10-17-2012, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by Phased

Like I said lets keep this down to a 3 med cycle.. We have come along way, the tren and test will more then cover your last two weeks while clearing.
Im liking this a lot better then the one before.

k thx for the help bro im going to keep all ya updated starting maybe next week on monday thx everyone....

**Lunk1** · 10-17-2012, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Phased

Like I said lets keep this down to a 3 med cycle.. We have come along way, the tren and test will more then cover your last two weeks while clearing.
Im liking this a lot better then the one before.

My opinion...take it for what it's worth;

1-12 test 250 mg
1-12 tren 400 mg
hcg 500 iu 2X week

aromasin 12.5 mg eod
PCT Nolva and Clomid
Keep Caber or Prami on hand!

But everyone has a preference with Tren and there is more than one way to skin a cat

**totao83** · 10-17-2012, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

My opinion...take it for what it's worth;

1-12 test 250 mg
1-12 tren 400 mg
hcg 500 iu 2X week

aromasin 12.5 mg eod
PCT Nolva and Clomid
Keep Caber or Prami on hand!

But everyone has a preference with Tren and there is more than one way to skin a cat

i hear u bro i did prop n tren a last cycle at 350 mg with little to no sides so was thinking upping the dose a little but i think im gona run with the updated doses