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    "Feel good" Test and EQ and proviron cycle

    Thinking about a cycle that keeps the user feeling the benefit of increasing test throughout the cycle.

    This would be for a second cycle, and I'm in the brainstorming stage.

    I'm a big fan of experimentation. That is doing things in a non-conventional way.

    I had very good luck with combining IF type of diet with 600mg EW of test and proviron 50mg ED, in order to lose a lot of bodyfat, and I actually gained muscle at the same time. IF diet and AAS is non typical, but again, we don't learn unless we try something new.

    One thing I realized on that cycle was that most of the possitive feeling of high testosterone seemed to level out after a while. THe first six weeks my sex drive was like a teenager, it stayed decent after that, but not the same.

    Also, there are quite a few guys who make great gains at lower doses of testosterone , assuming they are not already super huge. My last cycle I am sure I did not get the potential anabolic effect, as I was cutting after all. I did gain some however.

    So, stats:

    5'7"
    183 pounds at about 10-12% bodyfat
    31 years old

    Natty test levels are around 650 on a 300-1000 scale.

    Have some old injuries other than one bad hip, bad cartilage in both knees, and 2 crushed discs in my back (while serving in military got banged up).

    Have one cycle already 12 weeks test at 600mg and 50m proviron ED ended 3 weeks ago, pct is going fine. Got myself some generic viagra (always good to have on PCT I have read), and 25mg of that and can keep the wife happy, sex drive is halfways decent. Clomid is making me shoot half gallon loads which is awesome.

    Already thinking of doing another cycle in a couple months.


    So here is the thinking for the next cycle:

    Week 1-4: 300mg test + 300mg EQ
    Week 5-8: 400mg test + 300mg EQ
    Week 8-12: 500mg test + 400mg EQ
    Week 12-16: 600mg test +400mg EQ
    Week 16-20: 600mg test + 400mg EQ + 50mg ED proviron

    Arimidex is on hand, and I got plenty, and would start at 0.25mg EOD at week 5, and taper the dose up as needed, not to exceed 1mg EOD.

    HCG would be used at 250 IU 1x EW to keep pilot light on, starting at week 4.

    PCT would be basic clomid 50/50/25/25.

    Id prefer the cycle to go 20 weeks, I love this lifestyle, Im turning 32 in less than a half year, Im fine with longer cycles.

    The cycle goals are to gain muscle, first and foremost, get huge.

    More than that it would be to feel really good, as in that teenage sex drive, and overall positive feeling of being on.

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    Hey fat man.

    The proposed cycle is pretty old school with all the dosage increases.

    This is a long cycle and PCT should be far more aggressive than what you have listed, and should include both nolva and clomid.

    I'd rethink the decision to run EQ, it's a worthless compound. Better off with primo if you're running that long, or mast for 8 to 10 weeks of that cycle.

    Good luck bro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Hey fat man.

    The proposed cycle is pretty old school with all the dosage increases.

    This is a long cycle and PCT should be far more aggressive than what you have listed, and should include both nolva and clomid.

    I'd rethink the decision to run EQ, it's a worthless compound. Better off with primo if you're running that long, or mast for 8 to 10 weeks of that cycle.

    Good luck bro.
    Thanks for the quick reply austinite,

    I will for sure get the nolva too then.

    As for the EQ, I've read really those mixed results (some guys swear its worthless, others talk as if its better than deca ). Thing is I already have it on hand. If it does not do anything for me, then I definately won't ever buy it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatman225 View Post
    Thanks for the quick reply austinite,

    I will for sure get the nolva too then.

    As for the EQ, I've read really those mixed results (some guys swear its worthless, others talk as if its better than deca). Thing is I already have it on hand. If it does not do anything for me, then I definately won't ever buy it again.
    Well, I can only speak from my experience as I have run it twice. It pretty much just made me hungry, and for that I now just inject B12.

    With EQ, RBC levels were too high. WAY too high. Gains I've made were from other compounds, EQ really didn't do anything for gains. There is just too much out there available that is so much better. EQ really needs to be run at high doses for any type of results, but unfortunately that means amplified sides. I hate to see anyone run EQ, but to each his own, ya know?

    nandrolone deca is really not comparable, so I'm not sure what people are talking about. If anything, please be sure to get bloodwork mid-cycle so you can see where you stand and avoid hurting yourself.

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    You don't need to increase your Test dosage. Just pick a dose, like 500mg/wk or 600mg/wk, and stick with it throughout your cycle. It's better for endogenous Test level. I've run both EQ and Deca . I like Deca better. If you have EQ and want to run it, go for it. Just note how you feel and try something new next time. You're young, you've got a long time to try different compounds. You could just run the Test and I think you'll be about the same. 20 week cycle is pretty long. I'd recommend a stronger PCT than Clomid at 50/50/25/25. You should run Clomid at 100/100/50/50 and Nolva at 40/40/20/20. Watch your diet, EQ can get you fat.

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    I wouldn't run Clomid higher than 50mg. Instead I would run Nolva along side it and extend PCT to 6 weeks even if last couple weeks are nolva and clomid at 20mg. If you wanted to do a 20 week cycle look at Ronnie Rowland slingshot 20 weeker. You run 8 week cycle like Dbol and Test then cruise 200mg of test for two weeks then blast another 8 weeks. Then PCT.

    Test increases dopamine in the brain that is why you feel good for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brohim View Post

    Test increases dopamine in the brain that is why you feel good for a while.
    Been reading up on that, which is part of the reason for my liking of the old school increasing dose method.

    The dopamine receptors become less sensitive after being bombarded with lots of dopa for a while.

    Then either two things need to happen:

    1. Increase dose, pushing in even more dopamaine

    2. Time off, letting the receptors increase again

    Ronnie Rowland's method seems to be the latter, and it does make sense, and would also give the dopamine receptors time to clear out.

    I wonder if there might be aby benefit of the two put together? Where every 2 weeks the testosterone dose is increased from 500, to 600, to 700, then finally 800 and then 2 or 3 weeks off, and repeat?

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