What are you guys using to draw with?

**yeahbuddy289** · 10-25-2012, 08:00 PM

Im currently using an 18g but its punching pieces of the stopper down into the vial whichis a pain in the ass to have to worry about injecting pieces of the stopper. The place i get my needles from goes from 18 right to 21... would a 21 be ok or would I be there all day trying to draw?

**Lunk1** · 10-25-2012, 08:01 PM

draw 21 and pin 25

**yeahbuddy289** · 10-25-2012, 08:04 PM

Yeah I use 25's to pin and wouldnt have it any other way lol Dont even feel it!

**MickeyKnox** · 10-25-2012, 08:06 PM

18 for me.

**Times Roman** · 10-25-2012, 08:07 PM

18 to draw, and 21 or 22 to pin. for oil base.

if water base, i just use a slin pin

**kmms** · 10-25-2012, 08:08 PM

i use 18's but it's because my test comes in ampules not vials. if it were in vials i'd go smaller for sure.

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 08:09 PM

18 draw.
23 pin.
slin for water.

**t-dogg** · 10-25-2012, 08:11 PM

23 to draw and 25 or 23 to pin.

**yeahbuddy289** · 10-25-2012, 08:17 PM

18's are destroying the stoppers though

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by yeahbuddy289

18's are destroying the stoppers though

so draw with 21 or 22. I never had an issue with 18's

**fit2bOld** · 10-25-2012, 08:21 PM

Draw with and inject with a 25g cant be bothered with all that needle swapping, unless I 'm drawing multiple compounds then I replace before injecting.

**austinite** · 10-25-2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Draw with and inject with a 25g cant be bothered with all that needle swapping, unless I 'm drawing multiple compounds then I replace before injecting.

sheesh! Are you ready for your next injection when you're done pinning?

lol, I wish I had your patience!

**alexISthrowed** · 10-25-2012, 08:31 PM

I draw with a 20 and pin with a 25. Every time you draw use a different spot on the stopper.

**OnTheSauce** · 10-25-2012, 08:45 PM

Im impatient with a 20g. No way I could use a 25. Wow. Plus my oil is pretty thick, dunno if a 25 could even draw it

**Times Roman** · 10-25-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by yeahbuddy289

18's are destroying the stoppers though

stoppers are fairly rugged. an easy way to test is to fill your syringe with air and pump in several ml into your vial. air should NOT leak out. if you are brave, you can submerge your vial in water and see if airbubbles are coming out, just like testing a tire for leaks. I doubt it is destroying your stopper. i've been using 18ga for several years now and not once have I destroyed a stopper.

**MickeyKnox** · 10-25-2012, 08:57 PM

^^ agreed.

**P.Money** · 10-25-2012, 09:58 PM

I'm using filtered needles, have to with amps anyway. Hard to get your hands on those around here they're supposedly not sold to the public.

**Nakanoshima** · 10-25-2012, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Draw with and inject with a 25g cant be bothered with all that needle swapping, unless I 'm drawing multiple compounds then I replace before injecting.

I'm with you. 2 or more and I'll swap the needle. Does take a bit more time, but I enjoy the build up anyway.

**P.Money** · 10-25-2012, 10:01 PM

I forgot to mention, 18g 5microns.. Works wonders

**warmouth** · 10-25-2012, 10:06 PM

25 to pull, 25 to pin. Same pin most of the time

And yes, sometimes I feel a bit of pain and anguish.

**73mustang** · 10-25-2012, 10:38 PM

You can also buy what's called a multi-dose adapter that you insert into the rubber stopper, it has a nylon face, and handles bigger gauges way better. That's what I use.

**fit2bOld** · 10-26-2012, 07:09 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

sheesh! Are you ready for your next injection when you're done pinning?

lol, I wish I had your patience!

LOL, I warm the gear so flows a bit better (or so I think) after years of HRT the excitement wore off.

**rmbX66t1** · 10-26-2012, 08:09 AM

23g to draw, 25g to pin. Heck, I've even used slin needles for subcutaneous injections of oil-based hormones.

Originally Posted by warmouth

25 to pull, 25 to pin. Same pin most of the time

And yes, sometimes I feel a bit of pain and anguish.

Jesus, I've tried to use the same pin a few times, most of often, I can't even penetrate the skin without extreme force. You're a madman.

**austinite** · 10-26-2012, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by warmouth

25 to pull, 25 to pin. Same pin most of the time

And yes, sometimes I feel a bit of pain and anguish.

Waste a needle and try pinning with a fresh one. You will never go back to pinning with the same needle you draw with. YOu can get needles only from AR-R so you dont waste syringes. Like butter with a new needle.

**clarky.** · 10-26-2012, 08:40 AM

Hi mate i use 21 to pull and 23 for pinning. Iv never had prob with rubber stopper 18g that will b like a garden hose lol.

**Far from massive** · 10-26-2012, 08:53 AM

I also draw and pin with a 25 ( though I do use a new one to pin with ) what I do is to take a pan with a half inch of steaming hot water put it on the burner on high and place the bottles being used in the water. Now I go to my bedroom and get my two syringes with needles attached and 2 alchol pads by the time I do this and set them on the dining room table ( My significant others got no problem with my juicing) the vials are just starting to dance in the pan as air bubbles form undeneath them, this heats the vials to about 120° or so. By doing this even my TrenA at 100mg/ml which is the most viscous of AAS I use will flow through the 25g pin easily enough...maybe 15-20 seconds for a ml, things like MastP only take 5-7 secs also by the time I swap pins and swab and prep for pinning the compound in the syringe will have cooled to maybe 100° or so which in my experience is the ideal temp for pinning.

Also for anyone but particularly for those of you using larger pins to draw with you want to observe the bevel on the needle and apply slight sidways pressure away from the bevel so that the opening slice in the needle is being pulled away from the puncture point this will greatly lessen the potential for coring of the septum.