Cut not going to plan,prop/winny...

[auswest]

Hey all,
Allready posted this in the lounge but may get a little more traffic here..

This is my first steroid assisted cutting cycle, I started 11 days ago @ 10%bf... I am running 80mg prop ed/50mg winny (injectable) ed..

I am estrogen sensitive and could see my nipples getting a a little puffy on .25ed so I kicked up the arimidex to .5ed, my joints ached so I have found a good balance at .3ed.. My calories are clean as **** 50p/30c/20f @ 11 cals per lb bodeight ,

The problem is I have gained 3kgs since I started..... I don't look any less defined, if anything I'm looking a little more vascular and my shoulders and arms the muscles look nice and dry and grainy... I've ran out of ideas on controlling this weight gain.. And at this rate that im gaining it is obviously mostly water...

Will I start to loose this extra water as the time goes on from the winny, I can't really drop my cals too much lower...
I've never ran winny so I really don't have a clue how its going to effect me as the time goes on, this is going to be a 8 week cycle..
As far as training g goes I'm following doug's 6 day workout which hits each body part 2x a week. 3on/1off..
I'm considering changing routines to something a little less taxing on my muscles considering how low my cals are, possibly 4 weight days and 3 cardio days a week could be the way to go..

Anyone with experience with a similar cycle I would appreciate your advice

[warmouth]

I would split th Prop to 100mgs EOD and keep the winstrol the same at 50mgs ED. You can go 50mgs EOD, as this is my personal preference when using it for the reason you are. It worked like a charm with me. I did Test P/Winny @ 100/50 EOD and was absolutley amazing! Winny is one of my favorite compounds and I will run it to some degree in every cycle, cut or bulk. I wil even run short bursts for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off on TRT. Amazing stuff. It should start to help assist you in dropping water and dry you out a bit soon. If you drop the adex down to .25 EOD or even E3D with the Prop being ran at 100 EOD, it should help you experience less joint pain. That winstrol can be brutal on my knees and elbows. Adex only seems to worsen the problem for me, so I run it every 3 days.

[auswest]

I would split th Prop to 100mgs EOD and keep the winstrol the same at 50mgs ED. You can go 50mgs EOD, as this is my personal preference when using it for the reason you are. It worked like a charm with me. I did Test P/Winny @ 100/50 EOD and was absolutley amazing! Winny is one of my favorite compounds and I will run it to some degree in every cycle, cut or bulk. I wil even run short bursts for 2 weeks on 2 weeks off on TRT. Amazing stuff. It should start to help assist you in dropping water and dry you out a bit soon. If you drop the adex down to .25 EOD or even E3D with the Prop being ran at 100 EOD, it should help you experience less joint pain. That winstrol can be brutal on my knees and elbows. Adex only seems to worsen the problem for me, so I run it every 3 days.

Thanks for the input, I'll try dropping my test, hopefully allowing me to lower my ai...
From what I've read the winny should really start doing its thing quite soon?? Around the 2 week mark??

[warmouth]

Thanks for the input, I'll try dropping my test, hopefully allowing me to lower my ai...
From what I've read the winny should really start doing its thing quite soon?? Around the 2 week mark??

Exactly! Winstrol is going to act as an AI to an extent, although it doesnt mean you shouldnt use an AI. But lowering it is key. The winny usually starts working after the first use, but to see anything physically noticeable, 2-4 weeks. When it starts working, there is no stopping. It is so good, but so dangerous. I wouldnt do more than 6 weeks, as you will get great results with minimum liver trauma. But like I said, I "pulse" cycle it for a couple of weeks at a time for strength gains more than anything else.