2nd cycle need help

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Deca and Dbol would require test, that is not optional if you want to function like a man.

im sure he can buy more test before his next cycle... lol..

anyways OP this is what id do if i were you:

week 1-6 test p 100mg EOD
week 1-4 dbol 45mg ED (15mg every 8 hours or so
week 1-6 Armimidex .25mg EOD
week 1-6 HCG 250IU 2x a week (if you can get your hands on it..)
week 7-10 PCT started 3 days after last shot
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:12 PM

so i would take dbol , deca and test prop
if i would do a cycle with tre ace what can i add with it

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

im sure he can buy more test before his next cycle... lol..

anyways OP this is what id do if i were you:

week 1-6 test p 100mg EOD
week 1-4 dbol 45mg ED (15mg every 8 hours or so
week 1-6 Armimidex .25mg EOD
week 1-6 HCG 250IU 2x a week (if you can get your hands on it..)
week 7-10 PCT started 3 days after last shot
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

so i would take dbol, deca and test prop
if i would do a cycle with tre ace what can i add with it

no deca in there ^^ and if you were to use tren , you have to use test with it, also could add the dbol if you really wanted too..

i would consider just buying more gear, it would make it alot easier..

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Deca and Dbol would require test, that is not optional if you want to function like a man.

Test, deca , and dbol makes for a good bulking cycle.

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

Test, deca, and dbol makes for a good bulking cycle.

anything with test (or even just test) would make a good bulking cycle, as long as your eating enough food...

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:24 PM

there is so much its very confusing to what everyone is saying lol

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

there is so much its very confusing to what everyone is saying lol

yea, you will need to take the time to think about it, which you should have plenty of considering you dont have an AI or any nolva yet....

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:27 PM

also you should get some BW (blood work) done, just to see where your levels are at before starting this cycle..

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

there is so much its very confusing to what everyone is saying lol

No it's not. Austinite gave you exactly what you should do for this cycle.

Save the deca and dbol for later, when your ready for that one get some more test and whala.....you have a bulking cycle.

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

anything with test (or even just test) would make a good bulking cycle, as long as your eating enough food...

Yes but he has deca and dbol on hand and we are recommending him to hold on to that. That's why I said what I did.

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:30 PM

If i start getting side effects in the middle of cycle do i take the pct and stop the cycle

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

also you should get some BW (blood work) done, just to see where your levels are at before starting this cycle..

Defiantly get blood work.

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:31 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

If i start getting side effects in the middle of cycle do i take the pct and stop the cycle

Depends on what sides. What are you concerned about?

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:33 PM

bitch tits, liver

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

If i start getting side effects in the middle of cycle do i take the pct and stop the cycle

depends...

if you get signs of gyno, you can just take some nolva and continue with the cycle. but if you say, used tren on the cycle, and cant handle the insomnia.. then you may consider stopping the cycle..

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

bitch tits, liver

and also if you decide to use dbol , i would recommend a liver protection like liv 52.

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:35 PM

how long would i take the nolva for?

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

Yes but he has deca and dbol on hand and we are recommending him to hold on to that. That's why I said what I did.

..btw why are people recommending tren for a second cycle??

tren is usually for the more experienced users yea? like 5-10 cycles under their belt...

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

how long would i take the nolva for?

for PCT 4 weeks, along with clomid

for gyno symptoms like itchy/puffy nipples, you'd probably take it until your sides disapear

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by kronik420

..btw why are people recommending tren for a second cycle??

tren is usually for the more experienced users yea? like 5-10 cycles under their belt...

Uh....did you not read the first page. No we told him not to use the tren. But he wants to so austinite gave him a perfect plan for test and tren.

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

bitch tits, liver

If your taking our advice and saving the dbol your liver will be fine.

You need a AI to combat estrogen while on cycle, either arimadex or aromasin . This should keep the gyno from showing its ugly face.

**ironmaiden1** · 11-03-2012, 10:49 PM

I think i will only do tren and test

**gymfu** · 11-03-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by ironmaiden1

I think i will only do tren and test

Good call. Use austinine's plan.

**kronik420** · 11-03-2012, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

Uh....did you not read the first page. No we told him not to use the tren. But he wants to so austinite gave him a perfect plan for test and tren.

ah sorry, i must have missed that part...

OP, if you really want to use tren , you should read:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ctively-thread!

some good info in there