PIP and gear quality

[GymRat96744]

Hey guys I'm on my second cycle test and deca . When I pin the test I get real bad PIP. Does this mean that my gear is no good and will be less effective? My first cycle I had no pip at all. Im using Kalpa test e which is known for bad PIP but just wondering if it has anything to do with the quality of the gear. Thanks

[austinite]

Where are you pinning? How fast are you injecting? Are you keeping a steady hand while injecting? Discomfort is not uncommon but there are ways to minimize it.

[MuscleInk]

Where are you pinning? How fast are you injecting? Are you keeping a steady hand while injecting? Discomfort is not uncommon but there are ways to minimize it.

Lots of factors as suggested by Aust:
- concentration of oil
- bore size of needle
- rate of injection
- steadiness
- area of injection
- volume of injection
- scar tissue

PIP is often part of the routine that you learn to accept.

[GymRat96744]

I'm rotating injection sites delts and glutes. Delts are not that bad but still more than usual. Glutes are pretty bad. For delts I use 23ga x 1". For glutes I use 22ga x1 1/2" that's all I could get my hands on locally. Hand is Rey steady and I inject very slow. The deca has little to no pip but the test enanthate is brutal.

[GymRat96744]

Not sure if this makes a difference but I inject 1.2ml of test twice a week

[MuscleInk]

Not sure if this makes a difference but I inject 1.2ml of test twice a week

That's a small volume (I usually inject ip to 6mls at once) but what's the concentration of your gear? 22G is ok but too large IMO. I use 25 or 27g.

[adamjames]

thats a fair bit of oil to inject all at once but it shouldnt be causing you too much pip maybe try heating it up a bit in the syringe or do 0.6 in each glute then massage and slap lightly

[P.Money]

Personally, I've had really minimal injection pain. I'm using pharm grade gear with a 23g1in pin and I inject 1.5cc in each legs every monday, I have a little bit of soreness the day after the injection and that's about it. I'm really steady with the pin when injecting and I push it in at a normal rate, it's hard to inject any faster anyway it seems like. I thing gear quality has a lot to do with it.

[Sfla80]

I'm rotating injection sites delts and glutes. Delts are not that bad but still more than usual. Glutes are pretty bad. For delts I use 23ga x 1". For glutes I use 22ga x1 1/2" that's all I could get my hands on locally. Hand is Rey steady and I inject very slow. The deca has little to no pip but the test enanthate is brutal.

Curious on how u know its the test? Arent u combning both into same pin? and i agree go with 25 gauge.

[GymRat96744]

Curious on how u know its the test? Arent u combning both into same pin? and i agree go with 25 gauge.

Not combining the two compounds. Pinning each separate.

[Gi812Many]

What is the concentration on the Test E? Could be fascia displacement? Many things. Also could be a high concentration of BA in the gear. The list goes on.

[Gi812Many]

Depending on the type of PIP, PIP could also be a good sign. Especially with short esters. You get percipitation often in short estered compounds which is a good sign. Normally when I hear guys say "I did 2ml of Test Prop and go no PIP!". First thing comes to mind is, well sounds like you got bunk product.

[GymRat96744]

What is the concentration on the Test E? Could be fascia displacement? Many things. Also could be a high concentration of BA in the gear. The list goes on.

How do I find out the concentration of the test?

[MuscleInk]

How do I find out the concentration of the test?

Check the bottle. It should show mg/ml

[GymRat96744]

Check the bottle. It should show mg/ml

Oh didn't know that's what he meant. It 250mg/ml

[Gi812Many]

Well its dosed right...Concentration is not to high. As far as PIP goes what are you experiencing? Fever? How long does the PIP last for?

[jpowell]

Since u said wat lab u have, wat color is ur vial?

If its brown pip is normal and Chang do nething about it.

If u have the clear vials, it's not the test. As those vial are new formula with no pip.

I'd post the link to prove, but I'm on phone and it's against the rules bus where it's at.

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[Sfla80]

Since u said wat lab u have, wat color is ur vial?

If its brown pip is normal and Chang do nething about it.

If u have the clear vials, it's not the test. As those vial are new formula with no pip.

I'd post the link to prove, but I'm on phone and it's against the rules bus where it's at.

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Agreed. I'm using clear vials. Absolutely no pip what so ever.

[GymRat96744]

Well its dosed right...Concentration is not to high. As far as PIP goes what are you experiencing? Fever? How long does the PIP last for?

Pip last for about 5 days. No fever. Just pain. light swelling at injection site nothing major

[GymRat96744]

Since u said wat lab u have, wat color is ur vial?

If its brown pip is normal and Chang do nething about it.

If u have the clear vials, it's not the test. As those vial are new formula with no pip.

I'd post the link to prove, but I'm on phone and it's against the rules bus where it's at.

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Yeah that are brown. I was hoping for clear when I ordered but guess they trying to get rid of old batch first. Just wanna make sure the quality of the gear is worth the pain.

[jpowell]

Yea they are a solid company.
A lot of bros u them with nothing but good remarks. The only negative I ever hear is that damn pip in the browns.

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[OnTheSauce]

i only get PIP when i use gear with EO. I think i have a slight allergy to it. Right now im mixing the compounds and it doesnt hurt. but when im doing test only, its sore the next day and red. my test e is 400mg/ml

[jpowell]

T400 is always gonna sting bus the concentration level.

But that actually wod work--mixing them.

My first cycle t400 and eq, t400 hurt like a bitch, then I started cutting/masking it with eq, no pain but big gains lol.

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[jpowell]

Just read ur popping pills not pinning so thas not gonna help.

Guess you just gotta tuff this one out.

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[GymRat96744]

Just read ur popping pills not pinning so thas not gonna help.

Guess you just gotta tuff this one out.

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Huh? Not sure what you mean?

[jpowell]

How much gear you taking now?

Just test and dbol ?

Your dbols Orals?!

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[GymRat96744]

How much gear you taking now?

Just test and dbol ?

Your dbols Orals?!

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Test e 500mg a week
Deca 300mg a week
Dbol 30mg a week

[jpowell]

Mix the test n deca together in the same pin itl cut the test n potentially take away the pip

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[GymRat96744]

Mix the test n deca together in the same pin itl cut the test n potentially take away the pip

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I tried mixing them and it didn't turn out too well. I wasn't too sure how to mix them. I pushed air into both vials and then tried to draw from the vials and it didn't workout to well lol.

[jpowell]

Not sure I understand..

Literally get the deca first, get it out normally..

Before u go to test, drop plunger to how much test u want..


Example if u pulled 1ml of deca, and your doing 2ml total (test&deca) drop plunger to 2ml, this shows you have one ml of deca n syringe in room for 1ml of sumthng else.

Insert needle into test and push up Til the deca ALMOST comes out, pretty much just pushing the air into test.

Pull back and get 1ml of test.
Your syringe now has 2cc of liquid 1cc test, 1cc deca.

Thas how u mix..

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[GymRat96744]

Not sure I understand..

Literally get the deca first, get it out normally..

Before u go to test, drop plunger to how much test u want..

Example if u pulled 1ml of deca, and your doing 2ml total (test&deca) drop plunger to 2ml, this shows you have one ml of deca n syringe in room for 1ml of sumthng else.

Insert needle into test and push up Til the deca ALMOST comes out, pretty much just pushing the air into test.

Pull back and get 1ml of test.
Your syringe now has 2cc of liquid 1cc test, 1cc deca.

Thas how u mix..

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What would happen if the deca accidentally got into the test vial?

[jpowell]

It shodnt bus ur NOT gonna push that far.

But if u do, you test will have deca in it.

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[P.Money]

Why don't you guys use filtered needles? It get rids of all impurities in the gear, gives you the peace of mind. It's cheap! I always use filtered needles.

[jpowell]

Filtered needles for wat though?
Wod stop the compounds from potentially mixing?

Personally idc, I learned from an old school guy and mixing is cool bus thas wat your doing neway.

Mayb op shod try if provides peace of mind for him.

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[Bonaparte]

Why don't you guys use filtered needles? It get rids of all impurities in the gear, gives you the peace of mind. It's cheap! I always use filtered needles.

?????!!!!!!

5 micron filter needles will only remove contaminants visible to the naked eye.
You need .2um to catch most pathogens.

[GymRat96744]

So If deca gets in the test no problem?

[Bonaparte]

So If deca gets in the test no problem?

Of course not. It's all going in the same place.

[jpowell]

Not at all.

Reli not tryna b smart, but I want you to sit and think bout that question you just asked, based on the info in this thread.





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[GymRat96744]

Not at all.

Reli not tryna b smart, but I want you to sit and think bout that question you just asked, based on the info in this thread.





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Lol well I guess if it mixes in the syringe then in the vial wouldn't be a problem. Lol

[P.Money]

?????!!!!!!

5 micron filter needles will only remove contaminants visible to the naked eye.
You need .2um to catch most pathogens.

Which is better than drawing with an unfiltered needle anyway? I don't get what your point is.