Tren with var????

**champ14** · 11-10-2012, 05:31 PM

Yes or no? Can someone please list your experience with the 2 together?

**Bio-Active** · 11-10-2012, 05:38 PM

Are you using Test as the base?

**champ14** · 11-10-2012, 07:25 PM

Yes test e 600mg ew but I'm gonna lower it to 300 when I introduce the tren

**jpowell** · 11-10-2012, 09:33 PM

Running var so this must be a cutting cycle? Looking for lean gains with those compounds?

However, diet determines what course your cycle takes. Also your test e, is not the best cutter so to say as it holds water.

I've never experienced tren , but from what I have read you run your test higher than tren to keep libido good.

U have ai on hand and also caber I'm hoping?

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**gymfu** · 11-10-2012, 09:41 PM

You do not have to run test higher than any other compound, you must run at least a maintenance dose of test with any compound except maybe anavar .

I like var but you will need a lot to get much out of it, like at least 80mg.

**champ14** · 11-10-2012, 10:09 PM

I have ai, pct all that on hand. Yes using this as a cutting cycle. I usually do my tren higher than the test but after doing some reading I decided to let the tren do the work and lower the test. I will see how it goes. As far as the var I was gonna start at 50 and see how I feel. I'm not a big fan of orals but will give it a shot

**gymfu** · 11-10-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by champ14

I have ai, pct all that on hand. Yes using this as a cutting cycle. I usually do my tren higher than the test but after doing some reading I decided to let the tren do the work and lower the test. I will see how it goes. As far as the var I was gonna start at 50 and see how I feel. I'm not a big fan of orals but will give it a shot

50mg is a waste.

Have you used var before?

**jpowell** · 11-10-2012, 10:27 PM

50 is not always a waste.

Depends on the potency of the lab. I just ran 25 for 7 wks with tremendous results! Of course test and eq also tho.

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**gymfu** · 11-10-2012, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by jpowell

50 is not always a waste.

Depends on the potency of the lab. I just ran 25 for 7 wks with tremendous results! Of course test and eq also tho.

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This is key, you don't really know what the var did and at 25mg, probably nothing at all. Women use more than that.

**champ14** · 11-10-2012, 11:14 PM

From what I have read on here 50-80 seems like the norm. What dosage would u recommend? Keep in mind stacking it with 350mg tren and 300 test e. might switch to cyp

**jpowell** · 11-10-2012, 11:20 PM

I've nvr known a woman to take more than 10 mgs. Just saying

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**jpowell** · 11-10-2012, 11:21 PM

Op--start at 50 if you don't like and can afford increase your dosage. But only mess with for a maximum of 7 weeks.

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**Metalject** · 11-10-2012, 11:55 PM

Women typically do not use more than 25mg of Anavar ...that's a ridiculous statement. Most women use 10mg/ed. Some will go as high as 20mg/ed but that's normally the highest most will go.

Anavar is stronger than most people think. The problem is most use garbage. For that matter, most use crap gear all around. Granted, it's real but not what it's supposed to be.

You can actually get a decent anabolic boost around 30mg/ed if you're a guy and you're product is good. Yes, 50mg/ed will be better but the 30mg/ed range is very common for a lot of athletes. I think a lot of guys on message boards often forget that not everyone using steroids is looking to pack on a lot of size.

**gymfu** · 11-11-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Women typically do not use more than 25mg of Anavar ...that's a ridiculous statement. Most women use 10mg/ed. Some will go as high as 20mg/ed but that's normally the highest most will go.

Anavar is stronger than most people think. The problem is most use garbage. For that matter, most use crap gear all around. Granted, it's real but not what it's supposed to be.

You can actually get a decent anabolic boost around 30mg/ed if you're a guy and you're product is good. Yes, 50mg/ed will be better but the 30mg/ed range is very common for a lot of athletes. I think a lot of guys on message boards often forget that not everyone using steroids is looking to pack on a lot of size.

I am a huge advocate of using as little drugs as possible. Check my other post of you would like.

Anavar is VERY mild. Female competitors I know use 10-30mg/day. Don't say something is ridiculous unless your sure you know what your talking about. How many female competitors do you know?

And I'm not buying undedosed gear.

**austinite** · 11-11-2012, 05:49 PM

Agree the gymfu RE the var dosage.

**gymfu** · 11-11-2012, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Agree the gymfu RE the var dosage.

Thank you sir.

**Brohim** · 11-11-2012, 06:55 PM

That is not the topic. He asked should he use var with tren ?

The answer is no. Tren is a hell of a cutter. IMO var would be a waste. Save it for a Test/Var cycle later down the road.

**OnTheSauce** · 11-11-2012, 07:01 PM

Var with Tren is wasting the var. I noticed zero change using var with Tren. And I was taking 100mg a day.

**gymfu** · 11-11-2012, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Brohim

That is not the topic. He asked should he use var with tren ?

The answer is no. Tren is a hell of a cutter. IMO var would be a waste. Save it for a Test/Var cycle later down the road.

True, I got lured into a different discution.

And I agree tren with proper diet will do amazing for cutting and hardening.

**Metalject** · 11-11-2012, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by gymfu

I am a huge advocate of using as little drugs as possible. Check my other post of you would like.

Anavar is VERY mild. Female competitors I know use 10-30mg/day. Don't say something is ridiculous unless your sure you know what your talking about. How many female competitors do you know?

And I'm not buying undedosed gear.

I try my best not to shoot off at the mouth. Meaning, I'm not a guy who comes and makes random statements. Of course there are plenty of girls that use more than 20mg/ed, I'm not saying they don't exist. All I'm saying is the 10-20mg range is the most common.

How many female competitors do I know? I don't know, I've never attempted to count but it's a lot. I've done contest prep for competitors for ten years, a little more than 200 competitors and that's more women than men...there's simply more female competitors. Think about it, figure and bikini alone blows the number of bodybuilders out of the water and then you have the actual female bodybuilders and fitness girls. I have never had that many fitness clients though...figure has been primary and rarely have I had a girl that needed to go above 15mg of anavar a day.

Anyway, I realize I'm just another random faceless member, so I'm not sure why I'm even defending myself, lol!

**champ14** · 11-12-2012, 07:53 AM

Thanks I will drop the var and just stick with the tren /test combo

**gymfu** · 11-12-2012, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Metalject

I try my best not to shoot off at the mouth. Meaning, I'm not a guy who comes and makes random statements. Of course there are plenty of girls that use more than 20mg/ed, I'm not saying they don't exist. All I'm saying is the 10-20mg range is the most common.

How many female competitors do I know? I don't know, I've never attempted to count but it's a lot. I've done contest prep for competitors for ten years, a little more than 200 competitors and that's more women than men...there's simply more female competitors. Think about it, figure and bikini alone blows the number of bodybuilders out of the water and then you have the actual female bodybuilders and fitness girls. I have never had that many fitness clients though...figure has been primary and rarely have I had a girl that needed to go above 15mg of anavar a day.

Anyway, I realize I'm just another random faceless member, so I'm not sure why I'm even defending myself, lol!

Cool, I wasn't trying to sound confrontational either. And I agree most women probably use 10-20, but one I know real well regularly uses 30 or more. And she still looks and talks like a women.

Var is the most mild AAS compound there is and has low virillization side effects.