Pros & Cons for "1 Time Cycle Only"?

[hell911]

what are Pros & Cons for 1 Time Cycle Only?

[Firepal]

You mean ony doing one cycle in your life? Pretty sure if you followed proper protocol the pros and cons would be the same as running 4 cycles.

[Tron3219]

Aas is like sex. Once u do it once, you'll want to do it again

[S&S_ShovelHead]

Yea, one cycle is pretty unlikely. My plan was to get to a satisfactory point then stop. Its funny how that point changes as time goes on.

[Doont-Hunter]

I'm currently on my first cycle. Not going to lie but I already can't wait to see my results at the end of this one and then start again. I even said that I'd only ever do one cyce, oh how I was wrong lol.

[marcus300]

At 18yrs old you really need to understand the danger's of shutting down your HPTA before its fully developed and matured.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[Doont-Hunter]

At 18yrs old you really need to understand the danger's of shutting down your HPTA before its fully developed and matured.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

Lol you really must be sick of copying and pasting all the time.

[songdog]

No he just dont want to see some young kid hurt himself.

[adamjames]

we all copy and paste information i thought thats what this board was all about, id rather someone copy paste valuable info from scientific studies than make up there own bullshit anyhow

[ac guy]

I think his point was that the vets are constantly having to set younger guys straight about using AAS

[songdog]

We just want them to be aware of all the dangers of cycling at a young age.A lot of guys see their friends doing it and nothing bad happening.So they think its safe.But wat they dont realise is it can take up to a year or two.

[fit2bOld]

It's noteworthy that the Vets here give of their time willingly to help educate others.

[MickeyKnox]

At 18yrs old you really need to understand the danger's of shutting down your HPTA before its fully developed and matured.

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

This ^^

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UHBeIa7X_fs

..and this ^^

[MuscleInk]

I said the exact same thing about ONE tattoo. Well....twenty one tattoos later I'm heading for another one soon and thinking about a full back piece.

There's never just "one-cycle only".

As the vets have already said, wait until the time is right and you are older. Guys that cycle when they are younger (under 25), invariably find out the hard way that waiting until they were older would have been the wiser choice. Absence of immediate side effects or problems doesn't mean they won't appear later when you are older and struggling to fix something you screwed up with yourself.

[Doont-Hunter]

I said the exact same thing about ONE tattoo. Well....twenty one tattoos later I'm heading for another one soon and thinking about a full back piece.

There's never just "one-cycle only".

As the vets have already said, wait until the time is right and you are older. Guys that cycle when they are younger (under 25), invariably find out the hard way that waiting until they were older would have been the wiser choice. Absence of immediate side effects or problems doesn't mean they won't appear later when you are older and struggling to fix something you screwed up with yourself.

Thinking about getting a tattoo bro. I want to get something that means something to me, not just something that I get for no reason and has no significance.

[Lunk1]

we all copy and paste information i thought thats what this board was all about, id rather someone copy paste valuable info from scientific studies than make up there own bullshit anyhow

Actually...I don't copy and paste shyt. Any info I provide is based off real life experience. I find that even better than some study doen on animals any day!

[adamjames]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6260284]Actually...I don't copy and paste shyt. Any info I provide is based off real life experience. I find that even better than some study doen on animals any day![/QU

LOL come of it Lunk, all the information we have today on how Anabolic steroids work in the body comes from published reports on scientific studies, not from guys who inject what the hell they want then give advice based on how they look in the mirror and how they feel in there head, you might look and feel great but not have a damn clue as to how the stuff your taking is actually working in the body, thats talking pure ignorance Lunk, its science that has progressed our knowledge on steroids to the point where we can give advice to others about how to safely use them, and its the copying and pasting of the info that we get from science that is spread around the internet, it does not drop into our laps from god or come from real life experience only, if we just went by real life experience and never drew information from science we would be back in the dark ages like they were back in the 70s doing ridiculous, dangerous, experimental cycles with no pct...........yeah that will work, science is enlightenment, you suprise me

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=adamjames;6260698]

Actually...I don't copy and paste shyt. Any info I provide is based off real life experience. I find that even better than some study doen on animals any day![/QU

LOL come of it Lunk, all the information we have today on how Anabolic steroids work in the body comes from published reports on scientific studies, not from guys who inject what the hell they want then give advice based on how they look in the mirror and how they feel in there head, you might look and feel great but not have a damn clue as to how the stuff your taking is actually working in the body, thats talking pure ignorance Lunk, its science that has progressed our knowledge on steroids to the point where we can give advice to others about how to safely use them, and its the copying and pasting of the info that we get from science that is spread around the internet, it does not drop into our laps from god or come from real life experience only, if we just went by real life experience and never drew information from science we would be back in the dark ages like they were back in the 70s doing ridiculous, dangerous, experimental cycles with no pct...........yeah that will work, science is enlightenment, you suprise me

My point is...any advice I may personaly offer is advice based off of real first hand knowledge (for the most part). For example, you wont see me trying to advise how to use GH or slin...why? Cause I have never used either! Sure I could "pretend" like some and copy and paste info from others then pass it off as first hand knowledge. I don't think it's a good method to "act" is if you know what your talking about when in fact all you did was read the info somewhere else!

Has science and the medical field made grewat strides in AAS research in the last 20+ years? Sure, but nothing beats REAL first hand expereince and knowledge. Hell I can read the manufacture info on a new car when I am in the market, but I would much rather talk to someone who has owned the car and then take it for my own test drive!

[marcus300]

My point is...any advice I may personaly offer is advice based off of real first hand knowledge (for the most part). For example, you wont see me trying to advise how to use GH or slin...why? Cause I have never used either! Sure I could "pretend" like some and copy and paste info from others then pass it off as first hand knowledge. I don't think it's a good method to "act" is if you know what your talking about when in fact all you did was read the info somewhere else!

Has science and the medical field made grewat strides in AAS research in the last 20+ years? Sure, but nothing beats REAL first hand expereince and knowledge. Hell I can read the manufacture info on a new car when I am in the market, but I would much rather talk to someone who has owned the car and then take it for my own test drive!

Exactly ^^^ First hand expeirence from years of using and experiementing can't be found in some study what uses different amounts then what us bodybuilders use....without doubt study have there place but it all depends on what area we are talking about..............

good post

[adamjames]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6260704]

My point is...any advice I may personaly offer is advice based off of real first hand knowledge (for the most part). For example, you wont see me trying to advise how to use GH or slin...why? Cause I have never used either! Sure I could "pretend" like some and copy and paste info from others then pass it off as first hand knowledge. I don't think it's a good method to "act" is if you know what your talking about when in fact all you did was read the info somewhere else!

Has science and the medical field made grewat strides in AAS research in the last 20+ years? Sure, but nothing beats REAL first hand expereince and knowledge. Hell I can read the manufacture info on a new car when I am in the market, but I would much rather talk to someone who has owned the car and then take it for my own test drive!

Your analogy is flawed, but lets not even go there!! My point is this.......what you call as real life experience accounts for about 5 percent of what we actually know about how steroids work upon the bodys functions in the short and long term, so lets not flame people here who bother to search and find legit info from legit studies and then copy and paste that info for the benefit of all of us

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=adamjames;6260735]

Your analogy is flawed, but lets not even go there!! My point is this.......what you call as real life experience accounts for about 5 percent of what we actually know about how steroids work upon the bodys functions in the short and long term, so lets not flame people here who bother to search and find legit info from legit studies and then copy and paste that info for the benefit of all of us

I'm not flaming anyone for anything. There are guys who routinely paste medical studies on various topics that are a great read. I have no beef with that what so ever. It's the idiots that try to "pretend" they have cycle experience when answering questions like "what are the side effects of tren " or "how will I know if my test is working" when in reality they have never touched the shyt! REALLY...thats where you want your advice coming from?

I have asked questions myself on this board and I know that I for one would much rather recieve answers and advice from someone who has ACTUALL "real" knowledge than from someone who heard it once from his buddy at the gym, who is big so he must know his shyt!

[adamjames]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6260741]

I'm not flaming anyone for anything. There are guys who routinely paste medical studies on various topics that are a great read. I have no beef with that what so ever. It's the idiots that try to "pretend" they have cycle experience when answering questions like "what are the side effects of tren " or "how will I know if my test is working" when in reality they have never touched the shyt! REALLY...thats where you want your advice coming from?

I have asked questions myself on this board and I know that I for one would much rather recieve answers and advice from someone who has ACTUALL "real" knowledge than from someone who heard it once from his buddy at the gym, who is big so he must know his shyt!

So what your saying is that anyone who gives advice on something they have not taken is an idiot and should keep there mouth shut, so that would be 99 percent of every medical expert in the world then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok so when i go to my doctor next time and he gives me a new asthma inhaler and i ask him what the potential side effects are or how this will work upon my body what your saying is that his medical advice counts for jack sh*t just because he has never personally taken it, no actually his opinion counts for everything because hes a god damn medical expert who has studied science for years......use your head!!

[marcus300]

So what your saying is that anyone who gives advice on something they have not taken is an idiot and should keep there mouth shut, so that would be 99 percent of every medical expert in the world then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok so when i go to my doctor next time and he gives me a new asthma inhaler and i ask him what the potential side effects are or how this will work upon my body what your saying is that his medical advice counts for jack sh*t just because he has never personally taken it, no actually his opinion counts for everything because hes a god damn medical expert who has studied science for years......use your head!!

really is a poor example of what lunk is trying to explain to you...
There are very few studies conducted on bodybuilders using the compounds we use to stack together at the amounts we use to cycle to build muscle tissue. Also a lot of the times studies have contradicting ones what say the complete opposite so its a mine field out there when we talk about steroids for the use of building muscle tissue. Yes of course we can read and learn from studies what relate to many things we use to combat sides, hormones etc or even understand how things work better on a larger scale but if someone wants to learn how to build muscle tissue using steroids with the least amount of sides your better seeking guidance from someone who's been there and done it and not from some study conducted on teenagers,animals, women or on unhealthy males who have a ton of complaints already at dosages what wouldn't even be anywhere near what we would use. Thats why these forums are so important because you get a vast amount of guys using many different protocols and using different amounts we can learn from other bodybuilders who have been there and experimented. But I don't totally disregard studies there are very important but it all depends on what we are advising on and what we are trying to achieve.....If you find studies more appealing thats fine but for me Ive learnt far more from guys who have been there and done it rather than some study what doesn't really answer anything related to the question being asked.............each to their own

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=adamjames;6260755]

So what your saying is that anyone who gives advice on something they have not taken is an idiot and should keep there mouth shut, so that would be 99 percent of every medical expert in the world then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok so when i go to my doctor next time and he gives me a new asthma inhaler and i ask him what the potential side effects are or how this will work upon my body what your saying is that his medical advice counts for jack sh*t just because he has never personally taken it, no actually his opinion counts for everything because hes a god damn medical expert who has studied science for years......use your head!!

Now...point me towards the closest "god damn STEROID "expert" who has studied AAS (on BB's) for YEARS" .....use your head!! I have no problem reading and taking info from valid medical studies. I DO have a problem with ppl who have NO idea what the fuk they are talking about, dishing out advice as if they did!

[adamjames]

really is a poor example of what lunk is trying to explain to you...
There are very few studies conducted on bodybuilders using the compounds we use to stack together at the amounts we use to cycle to build muscle tissue. Also a lot of the times studies have contradicting ones what say the complete opposite so its a mine field out there when we talk about steroids for the use of building muscle tissue. Yes of course we can read and learn from studies what relate to many things we use to combat sides, hormones etc or even understand how things work better on a larger scale but if someone wants to learn how to build muscle tissue using steroids with the least amount of sides your better seeking guidance from someone who's been there and done it and not from some study conducted on teenagers,animals, women or on unhealthy males who have a ton of complaints already at dosages what wouldn't even be anywhere near what we would use. Thats why these forums are so important because you get a vast amount of guys using many different protocols and using different amounts we can learn from other bodybuilders who have been there and experimented. But I don't totally disregard studies there are very important but it all depends on what we are advising on and what we are trying to achieve.....If you find studies more appealing thats fine but for me Ive learnt far more from guys who have been there and done it rather than some study what doesn't really answer anything related to the question being asked.............each to their own

oh im sorry, excuse my ignorance......

[adamjames]

so to conclude...........both science and hands on experience are essential to becoming an educated user........science more so...lol had to get that last dig in

[Lunk1]

so to conclude...........both science and hands on experience are essential to becoming an educated user........science more so...lol had to get that last dig in

I would agree with the first part but......

[marcus300]

so to conclude...........both science and hands on experience are essential to becoming an educated user........science more so...lol had to get that last dig in

What ever works for you to come to the answers you require, but of course a mixture of both is a wise move but again it all depends on which area we are talking about

[adamjames]

What ever works for you to come to the answers you require, but of course a mixture of both is a wise move but again it all depends on which area we are talking about

^^ Well im not gonna argue with him ^^ looks like bluddy arnie on Tren

[AD]

That avi definitely shuts everyone up.

[stevelifts]

The likelihood of running only one cycle is very small. So small that I have never actually seen anyone that said they were going to run just one end up not running more. Myself included.

[qscgugcsq]

I was thinking about doing one only cycle too... And because I'm young I thought that the risk worth the shot. Well,IT DOESN'T.
I am not saying that you will be on TRT for the rest of your life for sure. But you take a big risk of it for 10-20 pounds??(and of course if your diet suck you will lose it anyway.)

More I read and more I know about AAS I realise that doing only one cycle probably won't happen...

No one here is saying to NEVER touch AAS. We are just saying wait some more years. Learn about diet/training. when you are fine with it go and learn everything you can on AAS. And when you are "done"(you never really done) you'll know when to start. And you'll be happy to didn't take the risk at 18 years old.

[Times Roman]

what are Pros & Cons for 1 Time Cycle Only?

I gotta ask....

....who here as only done one (1) cycle?

[Lunk1]

I gotta ask....

....who here as only done one (1) cycle?

Does 1 at a time count????

[Juced_porkchop]

Yea, one cycle is pretty unlikely. My plan was to get to a satisfactory point then stop. Its funny how that point changes as time goes on.

Totally agree! haha

[adamjames]

I gotta ask....

....who here as only done one (1) cycle?

ive only done 1 cycle thus far lol number two starting in 2 weeks : )

[hell911]

is it written in my profile that im 18 years old? if yes. then its wrong, i cant open my profile now coz of few posts.

im 21.

[OnTheSauce]

I said id do just one. Pffftttt, yeah that didn't happen.

[Doont-Hunter]

I gotta ask....

....who here as only done one (1) cycle?

I've only done one.

[JohnnyTribal]

It's noteworthy that the Vets here give of their time willingly to help educate others.

How it should be